[PNAI] UN HLAB's AI consultation

Thu Feb 29 01:19:33 EST 2024

Dear All,

Many thanks for the suggestions of the members provided during our
Wednesday meeting yesterday.

You can find the updated PNAI HLAB AI consultation input document below:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h-lCa3OME4GrN_q3Mf2ZVwrJ-ALzWBpwthdZ-SycR9I/edit

Please provide your further inputs by 5 March, and we will have our Final
meeting on 6 March, *the document will be closed for inputs by 10th March.*

The zoom link for the UN HLAB AI Consultation final meeting at 14:00
(Geneva Time) on 6th March is:

Link: https://zoom.us/j/98225172297

Password: 927303

Attached is the chat history of yesterday's meeting and you can also write
to @Celine Bal <celine.bal at un.org> if you want to access to the meeting's
recording.

Many thanks!

Best,
Yik Chan

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 at 01:42, J. Amado Espinosa L. via PNAI <
pnai at intgovforum.org> wrote:

> Thanks Caroline. Please, feel free to invite other colleagues who can add
> from the academic perspective.
>
> Best regards
>
>
>
> *From: *Caroline Friedman Levy <caroline.friedman.levy at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 5:03 PM
> *To: *sean speegle <sspeegle8 at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Amado Espinosa <aespinosa at medisist.com.mx>, Pnai <
> pnai at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [PNAI] UN HLAB's AI consultation
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>
>
> Thank you, Amado and Yik Chan! I'd like to contribute to the Institutional
> Functions section.
>
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> *Caroline Friedman Levy, PhD (she/her)*
>
> *Center for AI and Digital Policy
> <https://www.caidp.org/events/oct2023-dc-ugai/bios/>*
>
> *Research to Policy Collaboration Scholar
> <https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/2021/08/02/saving-icarus-2-0-ai-regulation-requires-extraordinary-partnerships/>*
>
> *Edna Bennett Pierce Prevention Research Center*
>
> *Pennsylvania State University*
>
> *+19173638282*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 5:23 PM sean speegle <sspeegle8 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thank you Yik Chan and Amado for putting this document together. I can
> volunteer for the Risks and Challenges portion of the document.
>
> Sean Speegle
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 5:17 PM Amado Espinosa L. via PNAI <
> pnai at intgovforum.org> wrote:
>
> Dear members of the IGF’s Policy Network on AI,
>
> I hope this finds you well. Under the leadership from Yik Chan, we have
> achieved to develop a first draft of our document, seeking to include
> different perspectives from different stockholders. For the High-Level
> Group as well as for the MAG, our collaborative work is very key to get
> included most of the initiatives already ongoing for AI governance, as well
> as the specific initiatives that this group have knowledge of.
>
> Please, feel free to send to this mailing list your thoughts about, and
> access the document to get your comments into consideration.
>
> Next steps:
>
> 1) PNAI should submit its final version of the input report to the MAG for
> their approval by 15th March.
>
> 2) the input report will  be open to all PNAI members for their inputs in
> suggestions mode and each section of the report needs to have few pen
> holders (writers) to consolidate the comments and write the sections.
> Volunteers are sought for each sections
>
> 3) The google link of the PNAI Input document
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h-lCa3OME4GrN_q3Mf2ZVwrJ-ALzWBpwthdZ-SycR9I/editPNAI%202023%20Report
>
> 4) we will meet weekly to check and revise the input doc. The first
> deadline for members' input is 20 Feb.
>
>
>
> I thank you in advance for the generosity of your time, experience,
> knowledge and commitment.
>
>
>
> Sincerely
>
>
>
> Amado Espinosa
>
>
>
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13:12:12  IGF Secretariat 对 所有人:
	Sorry for the delay but the Secretariat is fully busy with this week's MAG meeting
13:12:21  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	finally got in
13:16:40  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	German I can add the need to have open internet principles and embed some of the EU principles on the Open internet competences .
13:17:10  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	ok
13:20:10  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	What about the principles of digital development, which focus on building local ecosystems and contectual realities https://digitalprinciples.org/
13:20:23  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	*Hi Everyone
13:20:34  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	*contextual
13:24:08  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	I can see the funding coming from both local and  international sources including Private public partnerships .
13:24:44  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	but lets not forget the ITU has estimated 428Billion needed for Broadband infrastructure
13:33:42  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Replying to "German I can add t..."

	I suggest we avoid framing based on ecosystems like EU which have different contextual realities from many countries in the Global South and also given the geopolitical, including historical power dynamics
13:35:11  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Replying to "German I can add t..."

	Also the principles of digital development are based on open systems
13:36:15  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	Replying to "German I can add the..."

	ok.. We will include an open internet principles that ensure the internet is open . So open internet principles can be different from digital principles. There are some intersecting points but you can have digital development in a closed internet system
13:39:59  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	On the risks and harms do we have the issues of IP and protecting real content users . We also have the issue of potential hallucinations from generative AI in particular. the Latter is often due to predictions made from inadequate data
13:40:52  Yik Chan Chin 对 所有人:
	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h-lCa3OME4GrN_q3Mf2ZVwrJ-ALzWBpwthdZ-SycR9I/edit
13:46:06  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	When should we finalise this document?
13:46:29  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	Next week
13:51:59  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	I get Shamira’s point. Also if there is planned certification as Caroline mentioned earlier , it will be based on certain global principles. which ones will be considered.
13:52:33  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	ok
13:58:37  Germán López 对 所有人:
	I’d go even further and say it’s not only about the type of the data but the potential harm its uses might cause taking into account the industry and the particular application or use given to that data
13:58:51  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "I’d go even furth..." with 👍
13:59:43  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	How do u think it can be managed?
14:01:15  Caroline Friedman Levy 对 所有人:
	https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/02/28/fact-sheet-president-biden-issues-sweeping-executive-order-to-protect-americans-sensitive-personal-data/
14:01:39  Caroline Friedman Levy 对 所有人:
	White House Executive Order on protecting data just released today - for reference
14:02:08  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	great
14:02:11  Germán López 对 所有人:
	But it’s a really crucial point what Shamira just pointed out. If we’re having an industry focus on harm and types of data, maybe it would make sense that the sector authority is in charge of building standards, just as we have sectorial regulation for public utilities for example?
14:02:18  Germán López 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "White House Executiv..." with 🙌🏽
14:02:58  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "But it’s a really..." with 👍
14:03:35  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	We have to make policy regarding data protections and some other rules and regulations in common to safegaurd the personal datas.Then it's based on other individual country and regions goverment policies to modify and accept that so
14:03:58  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	IEEE, WHO, OECD, ISO, ECE are already working on that. Which area do u Think we’re missing?
14:04:47  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	Ramayana, do u have specific recommendations?
14:06:08  Mouloud Khelif 对 所有人:
	Hello everyone, sorry for being late
14:06:59  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	Wellcome
14:08:19  Germán López 对 所有人:
	Sorry everyone, I have to jump to another meeting, but it was great hearing you all, and we’ll proceed to include your suggestions and comments on the opportunities and enablers part. Great day for everyone!
14:10:22  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	Thhx
14:10:45  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Thank you all. Appreciate the comments. Global South diversity with respect to data considerations, governance practices, and thinking about AI use in social impact sectors is important. It would be good to highlight the importance of 'AI Equity' and AI Equality and Democratisation of AI for all. Thank you very much....best wishes!
14:11:07  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	May  I??
14:11:22  Abdullah Qamar (aq) 对 所有人:
	i wan to do but don't have any experience
14:11:37  Abdullah Qamar (aq) 对 所有人:
	@Shamira Ahmed pleasure to help you
14:11:49  Abdullah Qamar (aq) 对 所有人:
	qamarabdullaha at gmail.com
14:12:26  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	Reacted to Thank you all. Appre... with "👍"
14:12:43  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "@Shamira Ahmed ple..." with 👍
14:12:51  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "qamarabdullaha at gma..." with 👍
14:15:33  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Requesting the link for the document, apologies if I missed it. Thank you! Shall need to leave
14:15:51  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h-lCa3OME4GrN_q3Mf2ZVwrJ-ALzWBpwthdZ-SycR9I/edit
14:15:57  Caroline Friedman Levy 对 所有人:
	https://on.ft.com/433t4fi
14:16:03  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "https://docs.google...." with 👍
14:17:02  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	Still in many regions and countries there are no right guidelines to use AI in every sectors and also in daily life.Its because of not aware and understanding of AI.Is there any guidelines we make for that?
14:17:16  Abdullah Qamar (aq) 对 所有人:
	Replying to "Still in many region..."

	+1
14:18:06  Yik Chan Chin 对 所有人:
	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1h-lCa3OME4GrN_q3Mf2ZVwrJ-ALzWBpwthdZ-SycR9I/edit
14:18:10  Yik Chan Chin 对 所有人:
	link of the document
14:18:20  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	BEPS
14:18:39  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "https://docs.google...." with 👍
14:18:43  Eleanor Sarpong 对 所有人:
	yes Shamira  good point and the lessons
14:19:18  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	Reacted to https://docs.google.... with "👍"
14:20:02  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/taxation/addressing-the-tax-challenges-of-the-digital-economy-action-1-2015-final-report_9789264241046-en
14:21:06  Caroline Friedman Levy 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "https://www.oecd-ili..." with 😊
14:21:23  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	@Caroline Friedman Levy
14:21:23  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	[This is an encrypted message]
14:23:48  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "https://www.oecd-i..." with 😊
14:23:49  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	Removed a 😊 from "https://www.oecd-i..."
14:27:16  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	PNAI recommends ethical and social impact thinking to be made part of the AI life-cycle and be made part of all the AI lifecycle stages and should incorporate the issues and challenges faced by the last-mile end-users and not a thrust from a top-down from what AI as technology can solve
14:27:35  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	@Caroline Friedman Levy for your kind perusal.
14:27:56  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Please feel free to change / append and shorten...
14:28:02  Caroline Friedman Levy 对 所有人:
	Reacted to "Please feel free to ..." with 😊
14:30:58  Shamira Ahmed 对 所有人:
	I have to leave, thank you everyone. Ciao!
14:31:05  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Evaluation remains a key concern......E.g. Foundations companies shall be liable regarding accountability....but an auditing framework to undertake independent audits.
14:31:31  Amado Espinosa 对 所有人:
	Thx Shamira
14:33:29  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Oversight body is required.
14:36:04  Gaurav Sharma 对 所有人:
	Thank you! Best wishes and good night!
14:36:37  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	Agree
14:40:06  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	I am unable to attend last two meetings.Kindly ensure what kind of work can I take?
14:40:17  Eleanor Sarpong 对 Yik Chan Chin（私聊）:
	Yik do you work for the UN?
14:41:00  Ramyaa M 对 所有人:
	Ok mam.Thank you😊
14:42:01  Yik Chan Chin 对 Eleanor Sarpong（私聊）:
	Yik do you work for the UN?
	No, I work as professor at the Beijing Normal University