[IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session discussion

Wed Jul 5 03:39:28 EDT 2017

Dear Lynn and colleagues,

As I am unable to participate at the time of today’s call I would like to share a few points for consideration and if needed my colleague Timea Suto, who will be on the call for me and to report back to the business community we represent, can speak to them should you or others wish.

1.     Further to the discussions on the manner we engage NRIs within the global programme I appreciated the follow up discussions with several colleagues on the MAG and involved in NRIs as well as the comments made on the MAG list. Those who have spoken with us know we echo the same support for the value and benefit of NRIs and their place in contributing to the global IGF, even if in the soundbites extracted from the discussion this point may have been less clear.

It is evident that a positive spirit of engagement is the one universal attribute that ties the diversity of goals for that engagement and variety of visions among NRIs. We agree this is extremely positive for the global IGF and to be something we all find mutually reinforcing. I note the diversity and non-uniformity of views among NRIs has not come across in the postings on the MAG list but is something we should take into consideration so the most repeated voice isn’t the only one heard.

2.    I have listened to broad support for a main session on the specific topic the NRIs wish to cover and note my support for that in my point on main sessions below. Separate from that point, I do wish to flag that we still lack clarity on the need, process, topics and benefits of having what has been described as a separate NRI track within the programme – using 6-10 workshop slots  - for what aim and end and in what way will this help NRIs or their/the communities goals for the IGF ?

This remains something no one within the business community discussions I’ve facilitated has supported and without more understanding of the interests relative to the segregating downsides we’ve heard and shared. For this reason, we wouldn’t support that request for those workshops going forward on the limited information as it stands.

3.    For the main session discussions more broadly: I support much in the helpful proposal of the Chair and find Jac, Juan and Flavio’s comments and suggested ways forward for managing the time of the main sessions helpful.

More particularly:

•                I note the interest and effort of the NRIs to propose a session on a topic of broad interest and to frame discussion on the topic from the value add perspective of the NRIs. It is best as they note with openness and appeal to the IGF stakeholders that may not follow how we do things rather than following the subjects that resonate with their concerns.

•                I share the view that integrating the DCs, BPFs etc into main sessions demonstrates the value of Interssessional in enriching the programme and contributing within the broader IGF rather than in a segmented part of it. So Juan’s suggested way for that has merit and my support.

•                If there is a strong case made for the DCs having their own distinct session – it would be important to hear what the session would cover and how it would cover this so as someone else said the MAG isn’t asked for a carte blanche approval on a session without any sense on what part of the content/debate it will contribute to or enrich.

•                Within the business community there has been a concern expressed that there is nothing in the main sessions related to technology and investments to close the digital divide and business models for a sustainable digital ecosystem. I will ask colleagues on the call to perhaps share ideas on how we might build these discussions into some of the existing topics and/or HL framing discussions. But it would be important not to lose main session opportunities to have these exchanges.

Many thanks for taking this note into consideration on the call and apologies again for missing it. Look forward to reading the summary.

Warm regards,

Elizabeth

Elizabeth THOMAS-RAYNAUD

International Chamber of Commerce (ICC)

Project Director, ICC Business Action to Support the Information Society (BASIS)

Senior Policy Executive, Digital Economy

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From: Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Juan Fernandez Gonzalez
Sent: 04 July 2017 12:05
To: Flavio Rech Wagner
Cc: igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session discussion

Dear Flavio and Colleagues:

I think that your comment reinforces the idea of distributing the DCs throughout the Mains sessions.

Of course, those DCs that are already embedded in the design of a Main session does not have to report a second time.

Best regards

Juan

----- Mensaje original -----

De: "Flavio Rech Wagner" <flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>

Para: igfmaglist at intgovforum.org

Enviados: Martes, 4 de Julio 2017 10:58:50

Asunto: Re: [IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session discussion

Dear Juan and colleagues

Please notice that our proposal for main session ("Local interventions, global impacts") adopts a slightly different approach. We have listed Dynamic Coalitions that have a strong connection to the themes of the main session.

And people representing those Coalitions could be invited either as speakers or to make an extended intervention from the audience, in any case bringing the perspective of his/her Dynamic Coalition directly into the debate. We expect to implement this approach even if there is a separate main session for the Dynamic Coalitions.

Best

Flavio

Em 2017-07-04 05:04, Juan Fernandez Gonzalez escreveu:

> Dear Colleagues:

>

> Reading Jac about engaging related DCs in the gender Main session, I

> wonder if maybe this is an idea that can be extended to all DCs and

> all Main sessions.

>

> Just consider the possibility that the 17 active DC are distributed

> between the 4 thematic Main sessions AND the other two: the HL

> Thematics session of day 2 and the one on NRIs.

>

> We will have to decide which DC goes where. In order to help with

> this, I am attaching a grid proposal and the list of the active Dynamic Coalitions.

>

> I think that this goes in the direction of increasing the link between

> the intersessional work and the annual IGF.

>

> Best regards

>

> Juan

>

> --

> Juan Alfonso Fernández González

> Asesor

> Ministerio de Comunicaciones

> República de Cuba

> Email: juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu<mailto:juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu>

> Tel.: +535 2885103

>

>

>

> ----- Mensaje original -----

> De: "Jac sm Kee" <jac at apcwomen.org>

> Para: "Juan Fernandez Gonzalez" <juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu>, "IGF

> Maglist"

> <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>

> Enviados: Lunes, 3 de Julio 2017 22:47:50

> Asunto: Re: [IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session discussion

>

> Thanks for this work Lynn. And agreed w/ Juan that related main

> sessions would be a good space to also share and discuss some of the BPF work.

> The MS on gender is intended to engage not jst BPFs but also related DCs.

>

> I'm also really glad to see the NRIs submitting a thematic main

> session proposal on rights in the digital age. Considering that this

> topic has been raised numerous times as critical for the work of IGF -

> and is a framework with multiple dimensions and emerging questions on

> effective implementation, I strongly support this approach. I think it

> also provides a good shared and coordinated framework of discussion

> for the NRIs, which responds to some of Elizabeth's concerns - which I also share.

>

> Best,

> jac

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Jac sm Kee

> Manager, Women's Rights Programme

> Association for Progressive Communications www.apc.org<http://www.apc.org> |

> www.takebackthetech.net<http://www.takebackthetech.net> | erotics.apc.org

> Jitsi: jacsmk | Skype: jacsmk | Twitter: @jhybe

>

> On 03/07/2017 15:50, Juan Fernandez Gonzalez wrote:

>> Dear Colleagues:

>>

>> If we aprove to go forward with the four thematic main sessions of

>> the "straw" proposal, I suggest that In order to reinforce the

>> intersessional work, at the beginning of the four thematic Main

>> session a related Best Practice Forum could present a brief report.

>>

>> The BPFs on Gender and on Cybersecurity, of course, in the Gender and

>> Cybersecurity Main sessions respectively.

>>

>> The other BPFs: the BPF on Internet exchange points (IXPs) in the

>> Technical Subject Main session, and the BPF on commercial and

>> economic incentives to deploy IPv6 on the Digital Economy Main session.

>>

>> Best regards

>>

>> Juan

>>

>> ----- Mensaje original -----

>> De: "Lynn St.Amour" <st.amour at bluewin.ch>

>> Para: "Zeina BOUHARB" <zbouharb at yahoo.com>

>> CC: "IGF Maglist" <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>

>> Enviados: Lunes, 3 de Julio 2017 9:41:50

>> Asunto: Re: [IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session

>> discussion

>>

>> Hi Zeina,

>>

>> I do not want to get ahead of the full MAG discussion; yet at the

>> same time, I want you to know that the topics you mention below are

>> important and appreciated.  I am hopeful we can find a way to include

>> these topics in the program should we go forward with the straw proposal.

>>

>> Best,

>> Lynn

>>

>>

>>> On Jul 2, 2017, at 9:35 AM, Zeina BOUHARB <zbouharb at yahoo.com<mailto:zbouharb at yahoo.com>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear All,

>>>

>>> The purpose of proposing the session on Social and Human dimensions

>>> of Internet was to look at internet from different angles. it was

>>> intended to highlight how internet is shaping our social, familial,

>>> cultural, and medical future. the issue of e-reputation and digital

>>> identity is very sensitive too.

>>>

>>> But if you like to keep on discussing topics that were first raised

>>> since

>>> 2006 and repeat sessions from last year, I withdraw my proposal.

>>>

>>> Zeina

>>>

>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

>>>

>>> On Saturday, July 1, 2017, 12:49, Juan Fernandez Gonzalez

>>> <juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu<mailto:juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu>> wrote:

>>>

>>> Dear Lynn:

>>>

>>> Thank you for an excellent summary of the state of the discussion

>>> regarding the Main Sessions.

>>>

>>> I want to give my support to the proposal of the 4 themes.

>>>

>>> This results in the following 6 Main Sessiones:

>>>

>>> 1-  Gender (2 hours)

>>> 2-  Cybersecurity (3 hours)

>>> 3-  Digital Economy (3 hours)

>>> 4-  Technical Subject (3 hours)

>>> 5-   NRI (3 hours)

>>> 6-   DC (1.5 hours)

>>>

>>> I am attaching a document with two grid proposals for possible

>>> distribution of these Main Sessions.

>>>

>>> I hope that it can help in the discussion on the next virtual meeting.

>>>

>>> Best regards

>>>

>>> Juan

>>>

>>> --

>>> Juan Alfonso Fernández González

>>> Asesor

>>> Ministerio de Comunicaciones

>>> República de Cuba

>>> Email: juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu<mailto:juan.fernandez at mincom.gob.cu>

>>> Tel.: +535 2885103

>>>

>>> De: "Lynn St.Amour" <st.amour at bluewin.ch>

>>> Para: "IGF Maglist" <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>

>>> Enviados: Viernes, 30 de Junio 2017 18:37:14

>>> Asunto: [IGFmaglist] MAG Virtual Meeting - Main Session discussion

>>>

>>> Dear MAG members,

>>>

>>> at our next virtual MAG meeting we are scheduled to finalize the

>>> Main Sessions.

>>>

>>> We made some good progress at our last MAG meeting and after

>>> carefully reviewing the transcript and the Adobe Connect chat log, I

>>> have tried to capture the current state below.  Apologies for the

>>> length of this email, but I thought it best to pull all the threads together.

>>>

>>> Back to the Beginning

>>>

>>> So we know what we are working with:

>>>

>>> "Day 0”  2017 is slightly unusual.  Given the IGF is being held late

>>> in the year, the IGF meeting schedule was advanced one day.  This means that

>>> Day 0 is on a Sunday (not Monday).   This complicated some of the Day 0

>>> events.  This combined with the Swiss government’s desire for the

>>> Host Country opening and ceremonial sessions to be more interactive

>>> and more integrated with the rest of the IGF program, led to a new

>>> proposal.  It was proposed that the Opening session (Monday

>>> afternoon) include a topic-based discussion among high-level

>>> speakers, tentatively titled, ‘What rules for our global digital

>>> polity?’ This would be followed on the second day of the IGF meeting

>>> with a high-level thematic (Main) session on (again tentatively

>>> titled) 'the Impact of digitization on politics, public trust and

>>> democracy’.  These sessions would be multistakeholder in nature with

>>> participation from all SH groups.  After some discussion within the MAG, it was agreed to proceed, despite there being some concern re setting

>>> a precedent and using an additional Main Session slot.   At the same time,

>>> many welcomed the innovative approach noting it addressed concerns

>>> heard in many of the previous years.  So, this is a pilot.

>>>

>>> Where are We?

>>>

>>> Given we have the Opening and Closing Ceremonies/Sessions and the

>>> "High Level Thematic” Session, this leaves five (5) 3 hour Main

>>> session slots (see attached grid).

>>>

>>> Coming out of the MAG meeting we have:

>>>

>>> a)  6 Main Session proposals remaining: 1 - Gender Inclusion and

>>> Future of the Internet (2 hours), 2 - Human and Social Dimensions of

>>> the Internet

>>> (1.5 hours), 3 - Creating an Inclusive Workforce in a Digital

>>> Economy,  4

>>> - Empowering Global Cooperation, Cybersecurity for Sustainable

>>> Development and Peace, 5 - Data for Sustainable Development

>>> Roadmaps, 6 -  Local Interventions, Global Impacts, How Can

>>> International Multistakeholder Cooperation Address Internet Shut-downs, Encryption and Data Flows?

>>>

>>> b)  a request from the DCs for a 1.5 hour Main session slot - Title:

>>> TBD (preference was for a 3 hour slot, but recognizing various

>>> program constraints this was reduced)

>>>

>>> c) a request from the NRIs for a 3 hour Main session slot: ‘Rights

>>> in the digital/online world’ (separate document has been sent by the

>>> NRIs to the

>>> MAG)

>>>

>>> d) the Connecting and Enabling the Next Billion(s) Phase III has

>>> said they will work to integrate their activities into the overall IGF Program.

>>>

>>> And, to be discussed separately from Main Sessions, we also have a

>>> request from the NRIs for  6 - 12 thematic Workshops.

>>>

>>> MAG members made several suggestions regarding Main Session

>>> selections, notably to look at possible mergers as well as to

>>> shorten requested durations.  The first pass of this was done during the MAG meeting.

>>>

>>> One proposal (supported by several MAG members from different SH

>>> groups) was to select a small number of main themes to align/develop

>>> Main Session proposals around (something we lost when we moved to the community “tags”

>>> process for the workshops).   Suggestions were: Cybersecurity, Gender,

>>> Digital Economy, and a Technical Subject ("such as the merged

>>> proposal on the local interventions, multistakeholder cooperation on Internet

>>> shutdowns, encryption and data flows").    If the MAG decides to go

>>> forward with this approach we would align/develop the Main Session

>>> proposals above with these 4 themes.  This will require either

>>> consolidation or potentially moving some of the Main Session

>>> proposals above to a WS slot if the MAG feels this is appropriate.

>>>

>>> There was also a proposal made by a MAG member that there were

>>> overlaps (“super-positions of subjects”) between 3 Main Session proposals:

>>> "Creating an Inclusive Workforce in the Digital Economy”, "Human and

>>> Social Dimensions of the Internet", and "Data for Sustainable

>>> Development Roadmaps” and that these should be factored down to (2?)

>>> main subjects.  I believe this proposal complements the one above.

>>>

>>> Also there was considerable interest in the proposal on "Data for

>>> Sustainable Development Roadmaps” but a number of MAG members felt

>>> this was better suited to a WS format rather than a Main session.

>>>

>>> Straw Chair Proposal

>>>

>>> Building on the suggestions above and in order to help focus our

>>> discussions, I would like to put forward a 'Straw Chair Proposal’,

>>> subject obviously, to the MAG's approval.

>>>

>>> Chair Proposal: We go forward with the 4 themes proposed (tentative

>>> Main Session alignment below):

>>>

>>> Four (4) Themes:

>>> Cybersecurity - (4) Empowering Global Cooperation, Cybersecurity for

>>> Sustainable Development and Peace Gender - (1) Gender Inclusion and

>>> Future of the Internet (2 hours) Digital Economy - (3) Creating an

>>> Inclusive Workforce in a Digital Economy, Technical Subject - (6)

>>> Local Interventions, Global Impacts, How Can International

>>> Multistakeholder Cooperation Address Internet Shut-downs, Encryption

>>> and Data Flows?

>>>

>>> This leaves 2 Main Session proposals: 2 - Human and Social

>>> Dimensions of the Internet (1.5 hours), and 5 - Data for Sustainable

>>> Development Roadmaps to either be integrated into other Main

>>> sessions or perhaps moved to a WS slot if the MAG feels this is appropriate.

>>>

>>> Going forward with the 4 Themes above leaves us with the following slots:

>>> 1 x 3 hour Main session, and 1 x 1 hour Main Session slot (as the

>>> Gender Main session is requesting 2 hours).  Total Available: 4

>>> hours

>>>

>>> The DCs have requested a 1.5 hour slot (title: TBD), and the NRIs

>>> have requested a 3 hour slot titled: ‘Rights in the digital/online

>>> world’.  As agreed, the NRIs will speak to this in our upcoming MAG

>>> meeting.  Total

>>> Requested: 4.5 hours

>>>

>>> My reading of the discussions in the MAG meeting and on the MAG

>>> mailing list with respect to the importance of all the

>>> Intersessional work is that there is substantial support for Main

>>> session slots for the DCs and the NRIs (from several SH groups).  At

>>> the same time there were questions raised by some MAG members and

>>> alternative proposals put forward; and these are under review by the

>>> NRIs and the MAG.  Note: there has not yet been a consensus call

>>> within the MAG, this will take place at our MAG meeting next week.

>>> Also, please note: while I am personally very supportive of giving the DCs and the NRIs Main Session time, I am only

>>> trying to reflect what I hear from the MAG overall.   If someone sees a

>>> different 'emerging consensus', please say so.

>>>

>>> If the MAG approves the 4 Themes approach above, and *if* the DC and

>>> NRI requests are approved *as they stand*, we will be over the

>>> available time by 30 minutes - so I see a few possible paths: 1 -

>>> the MAG asks the Main session proposers (and NRIs) if anyone could

>>> make a *2.5 hour split* Main session slot work (that is a 1 hour

>>> slot followed by a break and then a

>>> 1.5 hour slot or vice versa (giving 2.5 vs. 3 hours), 2 - another

>>> alternative is the NRIs have a 1.5 hour slot mirroring the DCs or, 3

>>> - one of the "4 Theme” sessions above reduces their time to 1.5

>>> hours (allowing the NRIs a 3 hour slot).  Note: if Option 2 is

>>> selected (a 1.5 hour slot for the NRIs), we still have a 1 hour slot

>>> available (perhaps for either the CENB program or one of the other 2 proposed Main Sessions?).

>>>

>>> I very much appreciate the clear intent from everyone to work

>>> together to build a great IGF program.  Clearly, there is work to be

>>> done going forward to weave all the IGF activities together and this

>>> work will be undertaken in the MAG WGs (and are open to non-MAG members).

>>>

>>> Thankfully, there are a lot of creative people on the MAG.  So

>>> please review this carefully and send in any comments or

>>> suggestions, preferably ahead of next weeks MAG meeting so we can

>>> close expeditiously on this topic.

>>>

>>> Best,

>>> Lynn

>>>

>>>

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