[IGFmaglist] MAG summary report - some requested changes.
Jac sm Kee
jac at apcwomen.org
Sat Dec 13 13:52:16 EST 2014
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Much thanks for a comprehensive report. Really appreciate it having
missed the last day of the meeting and being stuck somewhere with very
limited connectivity for a week.
On meetings, while I think it's always more productive to meet f2f,
there is also a resource consideration to be able to raise funds for 3
separate meetings to quite expensive locations. I do think it's a good
idea for WG members who would be present at diff events to organise
meetings though. And also noting the issue about timezones - as I'm
also always finding myself in meetings at midnight or after. Not sure
what is the best solution - what we try to do at APC sometimes is have
2 meetings for 2 separate timezones, and then consolidate after.
There's always an issue of not having conversations with the entire
team, but maybe there isn't an easy solution to this other than
rigorous documentation and efforts to integrate as best possible.
Best,
jac
On 13/12/2014 09:10, Miller, Cheryl A wrote:
> +2 let's be provocative. 6/7 months is too long this early on when
> we are saying we want new BPFs, intersessional work, new
> accountability mechanisms...just sayin lets get serious and get to
> work.
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> Sent with Good (www.good.com)
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> -----Original Message----- *From: *Patrick Ryan
> [patrickryan at google.com <mailto:patrickryan at google.com>] *Sent:
> *Friday, December 12, 2014 07:02 PM Eastern Standard Time *To:
> *Avri Doria *Cc: *Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org *Subject: *Re:
> [IGFmaglist] MAG summary report - some requested changes.
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> Ok, I'll be a little provocative.
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> Virtual meetings are generally good, but my personal experience
> with MAG meetings virtually has not been good, because they
> happened regularly at 4am California time. It's hard to find a
> time for everyone to meet at an acceptable time, so there are
> always going to be people missing.
>
> To me, a next meeting that's 6 months away (May) or 7 months away
> (June) does not feel like an organization that's serious about the
> mission; or alternatively, it feels that such a long time between
> meetings (with so much that needs to be done) and sends a message
> that we're unplugging completely.
>
> We need to meet next in Feb or March, in my opinion.
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> On Dec 12, 2014 12:41 PM, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org
> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
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> Agree, good idea.
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> avri
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> On 12-Dec-14 11:10, Fiona Alexander wrote:
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>> +1
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>> My understanding from the meeting in Geneva was that we agreed
>> NOT to meet as the MAG in Paris and that our next face to face
>> meeting would be in the May/June timeframe with the specific
>> purpose of completing the workshop evaluation which due to the
>> nature of the discussion requires a face to face meeting.
>> Regular virtual MAG meetings/call seem more than sufficient.
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>> As I said in Geneva I would have very strong reservations about
>> doubling the preparatory schedule for the MAG and making it
>> overly bureaucratic, recognizing the WSIS outcomes called for a
>> MAG that islightweight.
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>> *From:* Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org]
>> *On Behalf Of* Peter Dengate Thrush *Sent:* Friday, December 12,
>> 2014 10:56 AM *To:* igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>> <mailto:igfmaglist at intgovforum.org> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist]
>> MAG summary report - some requested changes.
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>> Folks,
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>> I think there was general agreement in Geneva with the Chair's
>> time table; I thought the issue of the March meeting in Paris
>> was raised, but gained insufficient support.
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>> I welcome the concept of regular virtual meetings also.
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>> However, to meet a part of Marilyn's point, I wonder if we could
>> consciously take advantage of events like the UNESCO meeting,
>> regular ICANN meetings and the like, by - for example, WG chairs
>> identifying in advance how many of their members will be
>> attending such events, and if a significant mass is achieved,
>> hosting a f2f meeting of the WG from the event, with other
>> committee members dialling in?
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>> I know folk attending such events have pretty full agendas
>> already, but there are great advantages in meeting f2f, and if
>> we can capture those without undue burden, that might be very
>> useful.
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>> It's also easier to coordinate a meeting of a WG, rather than
>> the whole MAG, and much of the heavy lifting (of which we have
>> plenty ahead) needs to get done in the WGs.
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>> Regards
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>> Peter
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>> On 12/12/2014, at 8:16 am, Miller, Cheryl A
>> <cheryl.miller at verizon.com <mailto:cheryl.miller at verizon.com>>
>> wrote:
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>> I would also support an additional March face-to-face meeting if
>> possible, in addition to our virtual meetings. I have not read
>> the full summary report yet, but from what I have skimmed it
>> looks great—huge thanks to Chengetai for his efforts and quick
>> turn-around.
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>> *From:* Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org]
>> *On Behalf Of* karklinsj at gmail.com <mailto:karklinsj at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 11, 2014 1:58 PM *To:* 'Marilyn Cade';
>> Chengetai Masango *Cc:* igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>> <mailto:igfmaglist at intgovforum.org> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist]
>> MAG summary report - some requested changes.
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>> Marilyn,
>>
>> Thank you for your comments.
>>
>> Concerning the MAG meetings: it is my intention to have regular
>> MAG virtual meetings before the next F2F meeting in May.
>>
>> Hope this will alleviate your concerns.
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>> Best
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>> JK
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>> Sent from Surface
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>> *From:* 'Marilyn Cade' <mailto:marilynscade at hotmail.com> *Sent:*
>> Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:18 PM *To:* Chengetai
>> Masango <mailto:CMASANGO at unog.ch> *Cc:*
>> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org <mailto:Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>>
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>> Chengetai
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>> Support to change to the SDGS, rather than MDGs, as noted.
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>> I recall that there was at least some discussion on list about
>> the possibility for a meeting in Paris, at the UNESCO building,
>> in March, in conjunction with the upcoming UNESCO two day
>> meeting: CONNECTing the Dots: Options for Further Action.
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>> I think we need a MAG working session in this time slot -- March
>> 5- 6, which could be back to back with the UNESCO meeting. The
>> topics of the meeting are also highly linked to areas of
>> Internet governance of relevance to the IGF session 2015 --
>> Access, Freedom of Expression, Privacy, and Ethics.
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>> MEETING DATES:
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>> -for purposes of the MAG accomplishing its work in 2015 I have
>> strong concerns about not having a meeting until May. This is an
>> amazingly challenging year in terms of work. and it is a renewal
>> year on top of the additional working endeavors that the MAG
>> endorsed, including intercessional work activities.
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>> I understand that some did not agree, but I was surprised it was
>> not even mentioned as a possibility to give consideration to. I
>> would prefer to see the concept of the meeting in Paris
>> maintained as an option and discussed. We can discuss this
>> further online, of course.
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>> In particular, it is possible that the WGs could meet in smaller
>> sessions face to face, with webex participation for a 3-4 hour
>> session, and then go into a fuller MAG meeting.
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>> Also, I believe I recommended that the Assessment WG would
>> deliver a draft in March, not end of February, 2015. I think
>> that a two month working time frame is too short. Also, I
>> proposed that we have two phases of deliverables, and the WG will
>> discuss that on our first call. For now, I suggest that we
>> maintain a little flexibility by saying that the WG will develop
>> a more detailed work proposal at its initial working call, with
>> a commitment to an initial output by early March, for submission
>> to CSTD and other relevant entities.
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>> Excellent report, as always, from the Secretariat.
>>
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>> Marilyn
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> 55 On Dec 9, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Chengetai MASANGO
>> <CMASANGO at unog.ch <mailto:CMASANGO at unog.ch>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,6
>>
>> (Apologies for the delay just discovered the email was stuck in
>> my outbox.)
>>
>> Please find attached the summary report for the 1-3 December
>> Open Consultations and MAG meetings.
>>
>> The Secretariat intends to post it on the website at the end of
>> Thursday, 11 December. Please let me know if you have any
>> comments.
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>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chengetai
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>> <OC MAG Dec 2014 - Summary report.v1.docx>
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