[Evolintgov2014] [IGFmaglist] IGF Main Session - Evolution of IG Ecosystem-Update

Thu Aug 7 11:23:02 EDT 2014

Am 07.08.2014 16:12, schrieb William Drake:
> Hi
>
> (...)
> Meanwhile, as I half mentioned in a prior message, several of us had
> a brainstorming session in Meissen and Hartmut (who I believe is
> subscribed to this list and can correct me if I misstate) indicated
> that Brazil would like to at least consider some sort of NM-type
> process under the IGF aegis leading up to IGF 2015 in Brazil, as a
> part (day or two) of the larger program along with the usual
> workshops etc.  To be productive, I’d think it’d have to focus on an
> issue or two rather than the whole IG world, but that’s just me.

Bill,

if I understand you correctly, Brazil would like the IGF to consider 
translating the NetMundial event into a process under the umbrella of 
the IGF and that would start after IGF2014 and presumably end at 
IGF2015? And you suggest adding this idea to the list of issues to be 
discussed in the ecosystem session? I am just asking for clarification.
jeanette

> Either way, while this is the sort of thing IGF-centric civil society
> networks have advocated for a decade, for many other stakeholders it
> may be a new or as yet unpersuasive idea.  So the point would be to
> have an open dialogue about the potential risks and rewards of trying
> something like that, and alternatives; one would expect a vibrant
> debate with who knows what outcome.  Broadening the focus of the
> second half beyond the IGF would defeat the purpose.
>
> I agree with Jeanette that the panels should not be large and should
> not be doing long prepared talks.  Brief opening statements of
> approach, then well moderated and interactive dialogue with the room.
> I liked Subi’s suggestion
>
> On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Subi Chaturvedi
> <subichaturvedi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> deep well with identified interventions for 3 mins each and then
>> abt 40 minute long interventions from different stakeholder groups
>> for each of the two halves.
>
> So to make this work well we’d need get input and reach closure on
> initial speakers and moderators who are really keyed into the local
> history and this nexus of ideas. And Janis noted in his message today
> that with three weeks left and a MAG meeting on the 19th we need to
> work urgently to pull this together.
>
> A suggestion: at some point in the past weeks folks started copying
> the MAG on all this working groups’ messages and the traffic may not
> be of interest to all, so we might consider jet reverting to
> evolintgov2014 at intgovforum.org?
>
> Best
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2014, at 2:37 PM, Jeanette Hofmann <jeanette at wzb.eu>
> wrote:
>
>> Matthew, I see your point and considered framing the issue broader.
>> I decided against because I thought that if we include the whole IG
>> landscape we might end up with a debate without a clear focus and
>> miss a chance to gain concrete insights. I guess this is a trade
>> off we need to think about. Jeanette
>>
>> On 7 August 2014 14:24:22 CEST, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Jeanette
>>>
>>> Completely agree on "what can we learn from NETmundial."  While
>>> the question what can the IGF learn is critical, I would like to
>>> see the question posed more broadly - what can the diverse
>>> Internet governance/policy processes/fora, whether the IGF or the
>>> WSIS+10 review
>>>
>>> or the ITU (particularly given the Plenipotentiary coming up),
>>> learn from NETmundial?
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On 8/7/2014 1:00 PM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>>>> Hi again,
>>>>
>>>> regarding composition, I've argued against big panels with big
>>>> names some time back.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding substance, I think one important aspect concerns the
>>>> relationship between NetMundia and IGF.
>>>>
>>>> On the 1net list, there is an interesting dialogue between
>>>> Janis and others on the question whether the IGF can indeed
>>>> learn something
>>> from
>>>> NetMundial. I would like this question to be addressed in this
>>>> main session: What was unique about NetMundia, what can be
>>>> repeated or build on and what conditions are necessary to
>>>> institutionalize the good elements of NetMundial. Could this be
>>>> one topic for this main session, what do you think?
>>>>
>>>> Jeanette
>>>>
>>>> Am 07.08.2014 13:53, schrieb Anriette Esterhuysen:
>>>>> Agree with Jeanette's suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only other thought would be to make sure that organisers of
>>>>> previous IGFs are considered. We probably can't have them
>>>>> all, but it would
>>> be
>>>>> good to see more people from previous host governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anriette
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/08/2014 13:51, William Drake wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Jeanette Hofmann
>>>>>> <jeanette at wzb.eu <mailto:jeanette at wzb.eu>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have stopped contributing to this list because I am
>>>>>>> confused
>>> about
>>>>>>> the decision making structure. Is it this list who
>>>>>>> decides on the direction and composition of this main
>>>>>>> session or are decisions
>>> made
>>>>>>> elsewhere? I so, by whom?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please do contribute Jeanette, the standard MAG+ planning
>>>>>> group
>>> model
>>>>>> applies unless a decision to do something else is taken,
>>>>>> and no
>>> such
>>>>>> decision was taken.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 1:28 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org
>>>>>> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Main/Focus Session: Evolution of Internet Governance
>>>>>>> Ecosystem/Role of the IGF - Reaction to NETmundial"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’d strongly support this streamlining and updating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen
>>>>>> <anriette at apc.org <mailto:anriette at apc.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Speakers need to be people that have an established
>>>>>>> history and understanding of the IGF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I agree with this as well, we can’t have a really
>>>>>> conversation about strengthening IGF that could, e.g.
>>>>>> stimulate intersessional, focused, NM-style discussions
>>>>>> leading to the Brazil IGF (which I’m told the hosts there
>>>>>> want) unless we have folks who’ve been
>>> seriously
>>>>>> engaged on the matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mentioned before that Jeremy Malcolm (CS), Markus (TC),
>>>>>> and Vint/Patrick/Max (PS) have written papers with specific
>>>>>> proposals
>>> for
>>>>>> IGF strengthening that will be included in a multi-author
>>>>>> book
>>> we’ll
>>>>>> lease on Day 0.  Vint is confirmed here, but Markus will
>>>>>> already be
>>> on
>>>>>> other main sessions. I’d support Jeremy putting forward his
>>>>>> ideas here, or Adam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another TC option who’d have been perfect on the IGF panel
>>>>>> is Raul Echeberria.  He has a long standing interest in
>>>>>> this matter. But
>>> with
>>>>>> Kathy already onboard it’d be awkward to have two speakers
>>>>>> from the same organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Fiona Alexander
>>> <FAlexander at ntia.doc.gov
>>>>>> <mailto:FAlexander at ntia.doc.gov>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I too am a bit lost but note that Larry Strickling is
>>>>>>> listed as a possible speaker.   Tony knowledge NTIA has
>>>>>>> not been contacted regarding this request.  If there is a
>>>>>>> desire to have a US
>>> Government
>>>>>>> speaker please let me know ASAP and we can find one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Personally I think it would be excellent to have Larry on
>>>>>> the ecosystem panel alongside Neelie, Fadi, Milton and some
>>>>>> Global
>>> South
>>>>>> voices + people involved in the NETmundial Initiative.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To move this forward we simply need people to start
>>>>>> weighing in and proposing/supporting options so we can
>>>>>> reach consensus and move to
>>> the
>>>>>> next task etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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