[Bp_ixps] ITU Workshop on IXPs and ITU Council Working Group - IXP Discussion
Malcolm Hutty
malcolm at linx.net
Fri Sep 11 04:20:33 EDT 2015
On 2015-09-11 08:49, Bastiaan Goslings wrote:
> Hi Gael,
>
> Thanks a lot - well done.
>
> I’m not sure though I understand ‘the point that Marilyn raised’. I
> assume it’s about the
>
> 'What I wanted to comment on is whether you will capture -- and I
> think you're saying "yes" -- whether you will capture the different
> dynamics and impact on costs when an I- -- when there are multiple IXP
> choices in a country which provide multiple access routes external to
> the country versus an IXP -- a single IXP in a country which can
> dramatically affect the cost of national and local traffic, when there
> are ISPs connecting to it but there may only be one choice for the
> international connection.
> Will you capture that? Those different examples?’
>
> An IXP does not offer international connectivity. That is, if we take
> the basic technical functionality an IXP performs as a starting point.
> As described in the draft. A definition so you will - see also
> http://www.ix-f.net/ixp-definition.html
>
> So adding more IXPs in a country does not ‘provide multiple access
> routes external to the country’. And that therefor is not a reason to
> argue for ‘multiple IXP choices in a country’.
It does seem a bit confused.
> (Of course, one can force networks to join an IXP and mandate them to
> purchase international connectivity through it from the incumbent.
Of course, an IXP can also be a great place to connect to an
international network,
and so a means to reduce reliance on an incumbent. But the relationship
between
the number of IXPs and choice (or number) of international connections
isn't
at all clear to me.
What I think would make sense is that the presence of multiple IXPs
might be
a signal that they were easy to establish in that country, and so it had
an
enabling environment. I am a little concerned that well-meaning interest
in
IXPs by governments could lead to pressure to create "our preferred
IXP", distorting
the more organic decision-making that operators would otherwise make. If
the
presence of multiple IXPs acts as a signal that this isn't going on, so
much the
better.
> Who
> might be running the IXP together with local government and/or the
> regulator. Even if that means you effectively can shut down the
> internet in a country, that does not mean an IXP is an internet ‘kill
> switch’ per se)
>
> Cheers,
> Bastiaan
>
>
>> On 10 Sep 2015, at 22:45, Jane Coffin <coffin at isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>> Gael -
>>
>> Thank you for this.
>>
>> Re the point that Marilyn has raised: We also can draw upon an
>> article that Ariel Glazier just tweeted about re Cabase and we have
>> some pricing data in our LAC IXP Study.
>>
>> Here is the link to the info from Ariel in Spanish ;)
>> http://www.cronista.com/itbusiness/El-trafico-de-Internet-se-duplico-en-el-ultimo-ano-20150908-0010.html
>>
>> Looking forward to chatting tomorrow. Thank you to you and Wim for
>> attending the meeting. And, a thank you to the team working in the
>> Secretariat that are cc’d here.
>>
>> Best,
>> Jane
>>
>> From: Gael Hernandez <gael.hernandez at asitic.net>
>> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 4:40 PM
>> To: Bijal Sanghani <bijal at euro-ix.net>
>> Cc: Jane <coffin at isoc.org>, Wim Degezelle <wdegezelle at drmv.be>, Carl
>> Lars GAHNBERG <CGAHNBERG at unog.ch>, Brian Gutterman
>> <briangutterman at gmail.com>, Luis BOBO GARCIA <LBOBOGARCIA at unog.ch>,
>> "bp_ixps at intgovforum.org" <bp_ixps at intgovforum.org>
>> Subject: Re: ITU Workshop on IXPs and ITU Council Working Group - IXP
>> Discussion
>>
>> Hi Bijal and group,
>>
>> Yes, I attended the session on inter-sessional work during the MAG
>> meeting last week in Paris. I had the opportunity to give an update on
>> the progress of the group. You can find the transcript in
>> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/preparatory-process-2015/registration-september-2015/paris-igf-open-consultations-3-sep-2015
>> (look for Gael with Ctrl-F, unless you want to know more about the
>> other best practice forums).
>>
>> In a nutshell, attendees were quite happy to hear from the group's
>> progress and our ability to have something (a document) ready to
>> discuss in the BPF session at the IGF meeting in Joao Pessoa.
>>
>> The intervention triggered several remarks, all of them interesting
>> but I'm summarising the ones that I know we are already planning to
>> cover in some way or another:
>>
>> Mark Carvell from the UK government requested that the document
>> addresses government approaches to policy and regulatory issues,
>> particularly in regards of establishing the right environment. I think
>> we're good on that item.
>>
>> Michael Nelson from Cloudflare insisted in providing concrete data and
>> examples on competitive and less competitive environment (he pointed
>> to CloudFlare's CEO blog post discussing the specific situation in
>> Australia already acknowledged in the document).
>>
>> There was a suggestion by Marilyn Cade on capturing the dynamics and
>> impact on costs when there are multiple IXP choices in a country, as
>> opposed to having only one. In my opinion, we should be able to point
>> at the conclusions made in reports already published (for instance,
>> the ISOC study on Nigeria and Kenya) even if there are not focussing
>> on the unique/multiple aspect that she mentioned.
>>
>> Hope that helps the group to follow on the process.
>>
>> We will discuss more tomorrow.
>>
>> Best,
>> Gael
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Bijal Sanghani <bijal at euro-ix.net>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Jane,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update and keeping us informed.
>>>
>>> Gael, did you attend the meeting in Brussels we talked about during
>>> the last IXP IGF-BP call?
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Bijal
>>>
>>>> On 09 Sep 2015, at 23:15, Jane Coffin <coffin at isoc.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI Everyone -
>>>>
>>>> Some updated info about the ITU work on Best Practices for IXPs.
>>>>
>>>> See the two agendas for ITU Activities on 28 September.
>>>>
>>>> 9.30-11.00: ITU-D/ITU-T workshop
>>>> 11.30-12.30 and 14.30 – 17.30: Session of the CWG Internet
>>>>
>>>> I am headed to Geneva next week for ITU-D Study Group 1 work. IXPs
>>>> will be discussed in the context of providing helpful data to
>>>> countries on IXPs. I will let the group know how that proceeds and
>>>> how others may contribute to the work. A report will be put
>>>> together that includes IXPs, what they are, organizations working on
>>>> developing them, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jane
>>>>
>>>> From: Wim Degezelle <wdegezelle at drmv.be>
>>>> Date: Monday, August 31, 2015 at 11:25 AM
>>>> To: Luis BOBO GARCIA <LBOBOGARCIA at unog.ch>, Brian Gutterman
>>>> <briangutterman at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Bijal Sanghani <bijal at euro-ix.net>, Jane <coffin at isoc.org>, Carl
>>>> Lars GAHNBERG <CGAHNBERG at unog.ch>, Constance Bommelaer
>>>> <bommelaer at isoc.org>, gael Hernandez desa
>>>> <gael.hernandez at asitic.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: IXP Best Practices
>>>>
>>>> Dear Brian and Luis,
>>>>
>>>> Please find attached the text to go up on the Review platform for
>>>> the BPF IXPs.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>> Wim
>>>>
>>>> <IXPs_Workshop_Geneva-15_Draft_Agenda (28 Sept
>>>> Workshop).pdf><ITU_CWG_OpenPhysConsult_Agenda (28 Sept).docx>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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