[Bp_ipv6] Private Sector: Discussion Needed on Business experiences

Howard, Lee lee.howard at twcable.com
Sun Sep 27 09:44:29 EDT 2015

If I may paraphrase your prompts:

  1.  Examples of “economic factors” (cost savings or revenue gains) realized from using the new protocol
  2.  Examples of common challenges

You’ve already found the most recent, and most buzz-generating, example of the economic benefits. I would specifically quote Paul Saab saying, “When you make things faster, you drive other key business metrics in the positive direction.” [3:20]  I can only speculate as to what Facebook’s “other key business metrics” might be.

I’ve analyzed the expected cost savings. Specifically, I look at the “TCO of CGN” [1] and “TCO of IPv6” [2]. That work leads to my predictions for the IPv4 address market [3]—a cost which may be avoidable if IPv6 can become a substitution.

Tore Anderson talks about the simplicity of the IPv6-only data center [4]. This argument is borne out by Facebook.

Several people have tried to get companies to share their revenues and costs associated with IPv6, to help illustrate the business case. Those efforts have been unsuccessful, as far as I know, because firms consider that kind of information very private (and, I speculate, because costs are difficult to track for a long-term multi-project program, and revenues are difficult to associate with an infrastructure project).

As for the common challenges, there have been a couple of surveys, the most useful of which is the multi-year series (2010-2013) from the NRO [5].  APNIC [6] also did one.

I hope those are useful.


[1] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXf8ZIew1j0 (not my best presentation, and the snowfall is hypnotic)
[2] http://www.nanog.org/meetings/nanog56/presentations/Wednesday/wed.general.howard.24.wmv and http://www.wleecoyote.com/documents/TCO_of_CGN.pdf and http://www.wleecoyote.com/documents/pricing_v1.3.docx
[3] http://www.wleecoyote.com/documents/IPv4-supply-analysis.pdf
[4] https://ripe64.ripe.net/presentations/67-20120417-RIPE64-The_Case_for_IPv6_Only_Data_Centres.pdf
[5] https://www.nro.net/wp-content/uploads/Global-IPv6-Deployment-Survey-2013-final.pdf

From: Bp_ipv6 <bp_ipv6-bounces at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_ipv6-bounces at intgovforum.org>> on behalf of Susan Chalmers <susan at chalmers.associates<mailto:susan at chalmers.associates>>
Date: Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 4:58 AM
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Subject: [Bp_ipv6] Private Sector: Discussion Needed on Business experiences

Greetings all,

Glenn, thanks kindly for spending some time with the running draft. I'm taking the co-ordinator's prerogative to share your thoughts on the section, below:

"Business Perspective" can be interpreted very broadly - do we have a sense of what to focus on here?


#1 - businesses with web presences can support IPv6 by enabling support on their web sites for IPv6. This is often a first step to a business using IPv6.

#2 - The corporate networks for many businesses likely already have many components that already support IPv6. Certainly PCs, laptops, tablet, phones with current versions of their operating system support IPv6. Likewise the core routers and switches used by enterprises also should support IPv6. It's the remaining steps of i) Obtaining and allocating IPv6 address spaces for the corporate network, ii) updating internal applications to support IPv6, iii) updating legacy devices such as printers, to work with IPv6 are the major steps to moving the enterprise to using IPv6 internally.

I'm just not sure what direction was intended for this section

What I was thinking is that, given the nature of the BPF as an exercise in sharing best practices, we could have a few illustrations from the private sector on their use/deployment of IPv6. Given where we are in the drafting process, I reckon its best to solicit content and design the section according to what we have received.

It's really a narrative about the experience of deployment. Important (obvious to the present company) insights can come out of this. For example, in consultation with one person I learned that it is oftentimes the case that upstream providers can hamper a downstream provider's deployment. Or, a business will deploy v6 but after a series of technical faults, puts the project on hold.

I've seen recently this re FB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=_7rcAIbvzVY

I reckon if we can illustrate an "economic factor" or cost savings/gains from using the new protocol it would be a win. But we also need to canvas common challenges.

The floor is open for discussion. Please contribute your thoughts.

True, the section (as with all sections) have the ability to be rather broad, but if we have at least three key insights from the private sector, and a few case studies, we'd be serving the audience well.


Susan Chalmers
susan at chalmers.associates<mailto:susan at chalmers.associates>



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