[Bp_ipv6] Latest ver of Background Paper

Paul Wilson pwilson at apnic.net
Thu Aug 27 03:50:57 EDT 2015

With respect Olivier, IP-connected widgets will be extremely 
commonplace, and I’m afraid not be just (or even mainly) for the 
logical purposes you mention - but for any and every purpose, trivial or 
otherwise, that product designers can use to make a buck.


The document should certainly not sound like a piece of hype,

On 27 Aug 2015, at 17:30, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond wrote:

> Dear Susan,
> apologies for being late on commenting on the background paper. I am
> happy with all of its contents except one paragraph which says the
> following:
> IPv6 is crucial to the Internet’s sustainable growth; because every
> device (computers to light
> bulbs, fridges to web servers) must have an IP address. The demand for
> IP addresses will only
> increase as time goes on, as the Internet expands, more devices are
> connected, and more
> people come online
> I have recently started seeing some push-back about this "your fridge
> will be connected to the Internet" with some qualifying the Internet 
> of
> things are being the next big hype. So saying "every device (computers
> to light bulbs, fridges to web servers) must have an IP address" is
> likely to gather some criticism, if not some smiles from some people,
> and might discredit other paragraphs.
> May I suggest the following text:
> IPv6 is crucial to the Internet's sustainable growth, especially in
> light of the forthcoming Internet of Things (IoT) requiring a lot more
> IP address space. Projects that interconnect devices to reduce power
> consumption, increase efficiency and traceability and generally make
> better use of the world's existing resources will require the 
> allocation
> of vast numbers of IPv6 addresses. Ubiquitous connectivity of these
> devices using IPv6 is paramount to a simple roll-out in consumer
> markets, from the inter-connected car, home automation (light bulbs,
> refrigerators, power meters), industrial settings as well as the
> logistical back-end cloud services that are needed to service this 
> high
> growth, high innovation ecosystem.
> Elsewhere, I am concerned we use "innovation" once in the text only, 
> in
> the conclusion, saying a user, by not being able to reach some parts 
> of
> the Internet might miss the newest innovations. I think it goes a lot
> deeper than that: by not actively promoting and using IPv6, 
> stakeholders
> in a country are likely to miss the opportunity to innovate themselves
> and be part of the change brought on by innovation. In today's
> increasingly technological world, leadership is paramount to being 
> able
> to negotiate the paradigm shifts ahead of the curve so as to adapt
> before having the new rules of the game hinder progress and growth. 
> This
> is not only a matter of having a competitive edge, it is a matter of
> survival.
> Kindest regards,
> Olivier
> On 24/08/2015 17:27, Susan Chalmers wrote:
>> Greetings all, Nathalie, Patrik, Paul,
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rMXYBfa2ZgwzDn4YfQpxEh7JXwkmvPp6iUKdRNy1z6s/edit?usp=sharing
>> Herewith the penultimate draft of the Background Document. Thanks to
>> Patrik and Paul for your contributions, nearly all of which have been
>> incorporated into the text.
>> Nathalie, I hear you on using rhetoric like "bitstream." I also think
>> that Patrik's example is very important. I've tried to re-word that
>> section in terms of wholesaler and retailer, the former not enabling
>> the latter to provide IPv6 svc. Please let me know if it translates
>> accurately.
>> The document has evolved nicely! Excellent job, everyone.
>> I just have three citations that would be nice to add to the text, to
>> support the assertions made therein.
>> Can I ask the list to help?
>> "2 sentences and a citation (link/reference)" -- all needed in the
>> section relating to secondary markets for IPv4 addresses.
>> 1. An example of routing misbehaviour / hijacks in the trading of 
>> IPv4
>> addresses.
>> 2. Define "geolocation" in terms of IP addresses and how IPv4
>> transfers can mess that up.
>> 3. Explanation of how IP addresses are 'sold' initially from RIRs - 
>> so
>> that the reader can have something to compare secondary markets with.
>> I propose that Wim take a few days to receive any responses to the
>> above request, and then format the final PDF for circulation, and
>> publish. We can also publish the document on the open platform for
>> further comments, edits.
>> With that, we can round out our work on this phase of the discussion.
>> Does that suit everyone?
>> Warm regards,
>> Susan
>> Susan Chalmers
>> susan at chalmers.associates
>> http://chalmers.associates
>> On Mon, Aug 24, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Nathalie Trenaman <nathalie at ripe.net
>> <mailto:nathalie at ripe.net>> wrote:
>>  Hi Patrick,
>>  > On 22 Aug 2015, at 13:18, Patrik Fältström <paf at frobbit.se
>>  <mailto:paf at frobbit.se>> wrote:
>>  >
>>  > Hi,
>>  >
>>  > Newcomer to this party (dragged in by Marco and Susan), I went
>>  through the document and part from correcting some spelling
>>  mistakes, I added a few things I think should be added. Maybe you
>>  have discussed them and decided they are not to be added:
>>  >
>>  > Let me see if I remember them now when I type this email...
>>  >
>>  > 1. NAT/CGN and law enforcement
>>  >
>>  > We can not not talk about law enforcement and CGN/NAT
>>  >
>>  > 2. Bitstream services
>>  >
>>  > We have serious issues in Sweden with monopolies that provide
>>  bitstream services that prohibit the ability for the ISP to
>>  provide IPv6. Quite often bitstream providers that have been given
>>  monopoly situation by the city (or even owned by the city), i.e.
>>  completely under control by public services, i.e. indirectly by
>>  politicians.
>>  >
>>  While I completely agree with you on the content (including NAT
>>  and Law enforcement and bitstream services) , I think we have to
>>  be careful with “jargon”. Language that makes sense to us, but 
>> not
>>  for outsiders. For example “bitstream services”. I know what 
>> these
>>  are, bus does everybody?
>>  I also saw the word “homenet” in the doc. I’ve asked my direct
>>  colleagues, but none of them knows what it means.
>>  Cheers,
>>  Nathalie
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> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
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