[IGFmaglist] could not go back?
Wisdom Donkor
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Thu May 25 11:45:20 EDT 2017
+1 Ginger and Shita
Last year i evaluated proposal twice just to make sure i was fair to all.
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On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Ginger Paque <virginiap at diplomacy.edu>
wrote:
> I know the Secretariat has indicated that if we need to review one of our
> evaluations, all we have to do is ask. However, I don't keep close track of
> the WSs I've finished, but sometimes have a doubt later, either about how I
> evaluated, or whether I made a mistake. I'd really like to be able to
> review my complete list (not just the pending items) and to change if
> necessary.
>
> So +1 to Shita. Thanks!
>
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> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Shita Laksmi <shitalaksmi at cbn.net.id>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Secretariat,
>>
>>
>>
>> As I am in the process of evaluating the proposals, I notice that we
>> could not go back to previous proposals that we have evaluated.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kindly clarify if we can go back to previous proposal and checking our
>> score.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Shita Laksmi
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Miguel Candia
>> *Sent:* 25 May 2017 4:16
>> *To:* Julián Casasbuenas G. <julian at colnodo.apc.org>;
>> igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist] Same Speakers are in Many Sessions
>>
>>
>>
>> I am in agreement as well.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Miguel C.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org
>> <igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Julián Casasbuenas
>> G.
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:36 PM
>> *To:* igfmaglist at intgovforum.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist] Same Speakers are in Many Sessions
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hola,
>>
>> I agree as well.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Julián
>>
>> El 23/05/17 a las 14:15, avri doria escribió:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree with this analysis.
>>
>>
>>
>> avri
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>> On 22-May-17 21:51, Flávio Rech Wagner wrote:
>>
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>> Dear all
>>
>>
>>
>> Another important point that we should consider: notice that we expect
>>
>> that no speaker appears in more than three _selected _workshops, but
>>
>> remember that only around 1/3 of the proposals will be selected. If a
>>
>> speaker is listed in more than three _proposals_, but less than three
>>
>> of those proposals are finally selected, than this person will not be
>>
>> speaking in more than three workshops in Geneva.
>>
>>
>>
>> Citing from the guidelines for workshop submission in the IGF website:
>>
>>
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>> /"//If a speaker appears on more than three accepted sessions, they
>>
>> will ask them to choose three and relinquish their speaking roles in
>>
>> any others. It is therefore recommended that workshop proposers ask
>>
>> their speakers if they are speaking in other workshops, and if so, how
>>
>> many, at the time they invite speakers and seek confirmations;"/
>>
>>
>>
>> Notice that (1) this rule refers to "accepted sessions" and (2) the
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>> rule makes a "recommendation" (which does not look "mandatory") to the
>>
>> proposers regarding invitations to speakers.
>>
>>
>>
>> It thus seems that this rule shall be enforced _after _we have the
>>
>> final list of accepted workshops.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would not penalize workshop proposers because of this rule.
>>
>>
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>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Flavio
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>> Em 22/05/2017 22:17, Flávio Rech Wagner escreveu:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Rasha
>>
>>
>>
>> I fully understand your explanation. The question is whether given
>>
>> speakers appear as "confirmed" ones in more than three workshops. It
>>
>> is highly possible that many speakers have been listed in proposals
>>
>> without knowing it, because their names have been found in the list
>>
>> of "resource persons" and workshop proposers were not supposed to
>>
>> confirm more than three speakers at this first moment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Flavio
>>
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>>
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>> Em 22/05/2017 22:10, Dr. Rasha Abdulla escreveu:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Flavio,
>>
>>
>>
>> As part of the changes we introduced this year, we stipulated that
>>
>> workshop proposes contact the speakers before they list them on the
>>
>> proposals. They are supposed to get a confirmation of the interest
>>
>> of the speaker in the session, and a confirmation that the speaker
>>
>> is not already listed on three other sessions. So unless the speaker
>>
>> lied about the number of sessions they're on, which is highly
>>
>> unlikely, it is the responsibility of the session proposer (except
>>
>> for the first three proposers a speaker is listed on). If some
>>
>> people are listed on ten sessions, it sounds like they might not
>>
>> have been contacted prior to the submission of at least some of
>>
>> these sessions.
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>>
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> Rasha
>>
>>
>>
>> Rasha A. Abdulla, Ph.D.
>>
>> Associate Professor and Graduate Director
>>
>> Journalism and Mass Communication
>>
>> The American University in Cairo
>>
>> www.rashaabdulla.com <http://www.rashaabdulla.com> <http://www.rashaabdulla.com>
>>
>> Twitter: @RashaAbdulla
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>> On May 23, 2017 1:54 AM, "Flávio Rech Wagner" <flavio at inf.ufrgs.br
>>
>> <mailto:flavio at inf.ufrgs.br> <flavio at inf.ufrgs.br>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear all
>>
>>
>>
>> When submitting their proposals, could the workshop proposers
>>
>> see in the submission system which speakers were already listed
>>
>> in other proposals? Looking at the "resource persons", we do not
>>
>> see in which workshops they are listed. If proposers were unable
>>
>> to see this information, they cannot be made responsible for the
>>
>> problem. I don't think it would be acceptable to suppose that
>>
>> workshop proposers would have to scan all previous proposals to
>>
>> detect if their intended speakers were are already taken by
>>
>> other workshops. And, of course, even if they had done that,
>>
>> they could not be aware of proposals that were submitted at a
>>
>> later point in time.
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>>
>>
>> And we can neither blame the speakers themselves, as they may
>>
>> have been taken from the pool of "resource persons" as
>>
>> prospective speakers in many workshops, without even knowing it.
>>
>> And they cannot be made responsible for observing our rule of
>>
>> "at most three workshops for each speaker".
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Flavio
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Em 22/05/2017 18:53, Dr. Rasha Abdulla escreveu:
>>
>> Dear Sumon, Lynn, and all,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have stipulated in the guidelines that no speaker can appear
>>
>> on more than three sessions (and the workshop proposer was
>>
>> supposed to verify this with the "confirmed" speakers before
>>
>> submitting their proposal). I was under the impression that our
>>
>> tech gurus would spot this in the first round of screening
>>
>> (perhaps Luis can comment on this?), but it maybe more
>>
>> difficult than we think. The problem of course is if you have a
>>
>> high profile speaker listed on ten separate sessions, assuming
>>
>> they will probably be distributed among reviewers, they can go
>>
>> undetected and be rated higher because of that name. (It also
>>
>> raises concerns of whether these speakers were actually
>>
>> contacted for confirmation or not). For the purposes of this
>>
>> round of reviews (and we have acknowledged that we might not
>>
>> get it all correct from the first go, it's a lot of tech work),
>>
>> maybe we can manually make a note of speakers that we note have
>>
>> appeared on many sessions, with the workshop number if
>>
>> possible. I think this might ease things out for the tech
>>
>> people if it has to be done manually (in which case we won't
>>
>> catch them all of course). Perhaps Luis could let us know if
>>
>> from his end there's a list of speakers that could be accessed
>>
>> with the workshop numbers they appear on?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards.
>>
>> Rasha
>>
>>
>>
>> Rasha A. Abdulla, Ph.D.
>>
>> Associate Professor and Graduate Director
>>
>> Journalism and Mass Communication
>>
>> The American University in Cairo
>>
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>>
>> Twitter: @RashaAbdulla
>>
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>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:20 PM, Lynn St.Amour
>>
>> <st.amour at bluewin.ch <mailto:st.amour at bluewin.ch> <st.amour at bluewin.ch>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Sumon,
>>
>>
>>
>> thank you for picking up on this. Indeed, increasing the
>>
>> diversity of speakers is a goal.
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe we will have to evaluate this after the Workshops
>>
>> are selected — I cannot think of any reasonable way of
>>
>> doing this in the midst of the MAG reviews, and it would
>>
>> not be fair to judge workshop proposals with assumptions
>>
>> based on changes to their speaker lists. It is very
>>
>> important though that it be addressed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for raising it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Lynn
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > On May 22, 2017, at 4:18 AM, Sumon Ahmed Sabir
>>
>> <sasabir at gmail.com <mailto:sasabir at gmail.com> <sasabir at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> >
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>> >
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>> > Dear all,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > While evaluating the papers, I have noticed that few
>>
>> speakers are selected quite often. I have searched the
>>
>> list and found one speaker is chosen for 18 workshops,
>>
>> another speaker is chosen for 12 workshops.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Is it something we should count now or may be considered
>>
>> later? Any suggestions?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > regards,
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sumon Ahmed Sabir
>>
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