[IGFmaglist] Concerns related to visa for Indonesia

Mon Oct 7 22:07:57 EDT 2013

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2013/10/8 Fatima Cambronero <fatimacambronero at gmail.com>

> I agree with Vlada's comment.
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> Best Regards,
> Fatima
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> 2013/10/7 Vladimir Radunovic <vladar at diplomacy.edu>
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>> Dear colleagues, Moedjiono,****
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>> I support an urgent discussion regarding the visa issues. ****
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>> If we do not act immediately (and hopefully allow visa on arrival with
>> some valid confirmation for the trip), not only the diversity and quality
>> of the inputs at the IGF will be degraded, but some parts of the programme
>> might be endangered also (eg. Veronica is one of the key pillars of the
>> organisation of Orientation sessions each day; other sessions and events
>> will suffer also).****
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>> The IGF is in less than two weeks, and this should be resolved within the
>> next day or two.****
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>> Best,****
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>>                 Vlada****
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>> *From:* Igfmaglist [mailto:igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sanja Kelly
>> *Sent:* 04 October 2013 18:23
>> *To:* amessinoukossi at yahoo.fr; Patrick Ryan
>> *Cc:* KI Ditj Aptel Anthonius Malau; KI DJOKO AGUNG; MAG List IGF; MAG
>> List IGF; Ditj Aptika Kiki (Rizki Ameliah)
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>> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist] Concerns related to visa for Indonesia****
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>> I will echo what others have said. I have heard from at least 10 civil
>> society organizations from around the world who have had extremely hard
>> time getting their visas. As most NGOs don't have funds to travel to
>> another country, and then wait for days until their visa is processed, I am
>> very concerned and think we need to discuss this asap. ****
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>> I appreciate that our Indonesian hosts are trying to deal with this, but
>> the problems seems to persist. ****
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>> Sanja****
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>> Sanja Tatic Kelly****
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>> Project Director, Freedom on the Net****
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>> Freedom House****
>> ------------------------------
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>> *From:* Igfmaglist [igfmaglist-bounces at intgovforum.org] on behalf of
>> Kossi Amessinou [amessinoukossi at yahoo.fr]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 03, 2013 3:14 PM
>> *To:* Patrick Ryan
>> *Cc:* MAG List IGF; KI Ditj Aptel Anthonius Malau; Ditj Aptika Kiki
>> (Rizki Ameliah); MAG List IGF; KI DJOKO AGUNG
>> *Subject:* Re: [IGFmaglist] Concerns related to visa for Indonesia****
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>> This problem ils global. I suggest to indonesia goverment to help us.
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>> Le jeudi 3 octobre 2013, Patrick Ryan <patrickryan at google.com> a écrit :
>> > Hi all,
>> > To add to Veronica's point, I'm also hearing more about this concern.
>>  Could we set up a call to discuss the resolution of this topic?  I fear
>> that a resolution sometime next week is too late.  Many people in these
>> countries are holding off from making their travel commitments because of
>> this uncertainty, and I fear that a resolution of this next week may be too
>> late for many.
>> > Our Titi Akinsanmi (now at Google, and a former MAG member) is another
>> example similar to Veronica's.  Titi holds a Nigerian passport and Nigeria
>> is not on the list of countries eligible for Visa on Arrival.  To
>> complicate things, Titi will be flying from South Africa, and the airlines
>> rigorously verify credentials at check-in and often upon boarding the
>> plane.  So even a new dispensation to allow Nigerian nationals a Visa on
>> Arrival will not work in her case because the airlines and other
>> checkpoints are likely to stop her from getting on the plane.  Titi is
>> constantly traveling on business, and needs her passport for that, and
>> getting a visa for her is practically very, very hard.
>> > Could we set up a call to discuss the best way to process cases like
>> Veronica and Titi?  The pragmatist in me doesn't think that we can come up
>> with a global solution given the time-----but we should, hopefully, be able
>> to create a process for rapid processing of special cases like Veronica and
>> Titi and others.  If we could identify a couple people with the MInistry of
>> Foreign Affairs in Indonesia who can correspond directly with individuals
>> in this situation and resolve their dilemmas (which are likely to be unique
>> in each case), I'll bet that most of the problems can be solved quickly.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Patrick
>> > ------
>> > patrick ryan
>> > public policy & gov't relations sr. counsel, free expression and int'l
>> relations
>> > patrickryan at google.com | +1.512.751.5346
>> >
>> > On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 7:33 AM, <moedjiono at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dear Ms. Veronica,
>> >> Referring to Indonesian regulation and special case of IGF meeting,
>> MCIT has sent letter to MoFA and Director General (Department) of
>> Immigration to solve several cases like yours. We would like to ease the
>> visa process. Hopefully, you will get good news next week. Thank you.
>> >> Best regards,
>> >> Moedjiono
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>> >>
>> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> From: Veronica Cretu <veronicacretu at gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 2:53 AM
>> >> Subject: [IGFmaglist] Concerns related to visa for Indonesia
>> >> To: "Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org" <Igfmaglist at intgovforum.org>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dear MAG colleagues, greetings!
>> >> I have just arrived back this morning from Kiev, Ukraine where I
>> approached Indonesian Embassy and asked for support in facilitating the
>> visa issuing process.
>> >> In line with my not very positive experience, I would like to urge
>> Indonesian colleagues to follow up with MFA and their Embassies abroad and:
>> >> - At LEAST inform their posts about the upcoming event  (dates, place,
>> what is  IGF, etc);
>> >> - Ask Embassies to provide support in getting visas the same day -
>> especially in cases when people come from a country that does not have an
>> Indonesian Embassy and have a long distance to drive (in my case 1000 km
>> both ways).
>> >> Indonesian Embassy in Kiev/Ukraine refused to give me the visa
>> (regardless of the letter from UN, etc.). They did not say from the very
>> beginning that they are not going to issue it there, in Ukraine, They
>> accepted all the documents/papers and kept me in the city till 5 PM in the
>> afternoon, asking me to call them and check each 30-40 minutes whether
>> there is any news (me being on roaming) instead of allowing me to
>> explain/give more details/talk to Ambassador, Council, etc. The final
>> answer was that they need confirmation from the Indonesian Embassy in
>> Romania on whether or not they agree with Ukrainian side issuing the visa
>> for me, and that the final confirmation from Romania might come in several
>> days.
>> >>
>> >> I consider that if a country accepts to host an event like IGF, it
>> takes all aspects into consideration, treats all stakeholders interested to
>> contribute, engage and participate with respect and makes everything that
>> it takes to have a smooth, professional and rapid response when it comes to
>> visas!
>> >>
>> >> I do really hope that the 2013 IGF in Indonesia will be far more
>> enjoying and exciting than my visa related experience:)!
>> >> I will keep contributing online and provide whatever support I can
>> during the IGF via remote participation/support/coordination!
>> >> With very best,
>> >> Veronica
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Veronica Cretu
>> >> President, "CMB" Training Center,
>> >> Republic of Moldova - www.cmb.md
>> >>
>> >> Member of the Steering Committee,
>> >> Open Government Partnership (OGP);
>> >> http://www.opengovpartnership.org/governance-staff-donors
>> >>
>> >> Member of the Multistakeholder Advisory Group
>> >> To the Internet Governance Forum (IGF)
>>
>> --
>> Sent from amessinou Mobile****
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