[Evolintgov2014] Next Steps: Way Forward Evolution of Internet Governance Ecosystem/Role of IGF (Reaction to NETmundial + CSTD, WSIS, ITU, other fora.)
Jeanette Hofmann
jeanette at wzb.eu
Fri Jul 11 04:21:50 EDT 2014
Subi,
even if I won't convince you I'd like at least to have registered my
strong doubts about the proposed setting.
My concern is that this "established leaders"-centered approach
contributes to the ceremonialization of the IGF. We are celebrating
names and roles instead of working on the issues and making practical
progress.
All these great names could as well make their points from the audience
- as they did very well at NetMundial. Why do we repeat times and again
a discussion format that makes the audience unhappy?
As an aside, the term "leader" doesn't work well in all political
cultures. It makes Germans shudder.
Jeanette
Am 11.07.14 08:34, schrieb Subi Chaturvedi:
> Thanks Mathew for your expression of interest in being a speaker for the
> session. Noted. You will indeed add value.
>
> Bringing the new volunteers up to speed, the session had originally been
> envisaged by way of suggestion, to be a townhall format organised around
> a deep well, since the hosts and the secretariat have been kind enough
> to support the innovation in format. Where there only be resource
> persons, facilitators, who may make initial remarks for about 3-4
> minutes each. Drawn from a multitude of organisations, regions,
> representing stakeholder and gender balance and diversity in approach
> and opinion.
>
> Hoping for an ideal win-win, where the session remains interactive and
> we keep maximum time for interventions from the participants. It is an
> experiment to 'unpanel', the panel. Where there are no panelists
> speaking from a distance, to do away with the pedestal and with it, the
> top down distant approach of a main-main, literally and figuratively.
>
> Contributions in shaping the session and suggestions for
> facilitators(erstwhile speakers), who will lay out key issues and
> organisational contributions are indeed welcome.
>
> Also while I agree that some of us might have heard the established
> leaders speak to key issues before and interventions might sound
> familiar, there are many who are first time participants at the IGF or
> are relatively new or new-old. There is value in also upholding quality
> interventions from these leaders, who I believe still have a lot to
> contribute in building the knowledge agenda, educating and increasing
> awareness amongst new stakeholders who are at various levels in the IG
> ecosystem and are not privy to the same insights that these leaders are
> or some of us might be. Moreover the IG ecosystem over the past two
> years alone is rapidly undergoing a transformation, new processes,
> initiatives, commissions and new challenges abound. Keeping pace can be
> well daunting and downright impossible for many especially where there
> is a gap that exists between information generators, keepers and
> consumers. Capacity building and contributing to the knowledge agenda is
> also a key objective here.
>
> We recognise the need to constantly endeavour, to have a conversation
> where the community listens to each other and all efforts are made to
> encourage speakers/facilitors who are new from developing countries,
> represent small island nations, help improve stakeholder balance by
> voicing concerns of underrepresented stakeholder groups with gender
> balance and regional diversity. There is no one size fits all. And we
> hope with such resourceful contributors this panel will be anything but.
> I hope we can revisit the our individual knowledge bases and continue to
> work towards this.
>
> I also hope we can jointly work together to make this main constructive
> by thinking outside the box, proactively.
>
> The two co-leads will be co-ordinating inputs over the weekend. All the
> volunteers are therefore requested to please provide their inputs,
> suggestions, ideas and recommendations on content, format, speakers,
> policy questions in the next couple of days.
>
> So that we may move forward.
>
> It is imperative that we take an approach which is result driven
> especially, if we're looking at new facilitators who will speak from
> respective stakeholder groups. We are required to give them sufficient
> notice to enable their participation, to have the best strategic fit for
> this session. The contributions received already from MAG members have
> been of immense value. I thank them all and hope that they will continue
> to engage.
>
>
> The draft will then be circulated early next week to enable a meaningful
> and substantive discussion on the next call.
>
> regards
>
> Subi
>
>
>
>
> On 11 July 2014 06:06, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org
> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>> wrote:
>
> Agree with Jeanette: "Most if not all of the suggested speakers are
> also know well enough and speak so often that not much new insights
> can be expected." The session would be better served by a greater
> diversity of views and representation. Why not just ask each of
> the persons listed below to speak for 1 minute from the audience -
> perhaps grouped by issue/challenge or "what are the next steps"?
> That way there is plenty of time for other voices to speak.
>
>
> On 7/10/2014 10:24 AM, Jeanette Hofmann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I would like to support Bill's concern about the number of
> panelists. Personally, I wouldn't attend a main session with
> such an extensive number of speakers because it seems clear from
> the outset that they will use most of the speaking time. Most if
> not all of the suggested speakers are also know well enough and
> speak so often that not much new insights can be expected.
>
> We had a few years with Nitin Desai as chair where main sessions
> were run without any panels and panelists. Instead, the audience
> did the talking. Some of these sessions were good, some of them
> less so. I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to reintroduce this
> format.
>
> Best, Jeanette
>
> Am 10.07.2014 16:11, schrieb Matthew Shears:
>
> While jumping in on this rather late - and recognizing the
> list of
> potential speakers is long - I would be happy to be a panelist.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Matthew
>
> On 7/10/2014 10:06 AM, Constance Bommelaer wrote:
>
> Thank you, Sorina.
>
> There seems to be a few issues with the mailing lists. I
> have been
> receiving requests from members of the BPF mailing lists
> to have them
> checked.
>
> With regards to the list of speakers below, I can
> confirm that Subi
> has reached out to Kathy Brown (President and CEO of
> ISOC) who has
> confirmed her participation in this main session.
>
> All the best,
> Constance
>
>
> From: Sorina TELEANU <STELEANU at unog.ch
> <mailto:STELEANU at unog.ch> <mailto:STELEANU at unog.ch
> <mailto:STELEANU at unog.ch>>>
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> Subject: [Evolintgov2014] Next Steps: Way Forward
> Evolution of
> Internet Governance Ecosystem/Role of IGF – (Reaction to
> NETmundial +
> CSTD, WSIS, ITU, other fora.)
>
> Dear all,
>
> We are re-sending this email to the list, as it seems it
> didn't get
> through before.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sorina Teleanu
> IGF Secretariat
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From: *William Drake <_wjdrake at gmail.com_
> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>>
> *Subject: Re: [Evolintgov2014] [IGFmaglist] Next Steps:
> Way Forward
> Evolution of Internet Governance Ecosystem/Role of IGF –
> (Reaction to
> NETmundial + CSTD, WSIS, ITU, other fora.)*
> *Date: *July 8, 2014 at 4:34:52 PM GMT+2
> *To: *evolintgov2014 <_evolintgov2014 at intgovforum.__org_
> <mailto:evolintgov2014 at __intgovforum.org
> <mailto:evolintgov2014 at intgovforum.org>>>
>
> Hi
>
> So according to the archives, the last messages to this
> planning group
> list were 16 April. Further to the conversations on the
> main MAG list,
> it’d be good to follow the sort of procedures used in
> previous years
> and have interactive dialogue and collective decision
> making.
>
> We agreed on the previous MAG call to do this session in
> two steps,
> the external environment impacting IGF and its role, and
> from which
> IGF can learn (NM, CSTD, WSIS10, ITU, etc); and then
> turn to how the
> IGF can strengthen its processes in order to step up and
> help fill the
> gaps (inter alia so that dialogue doesn’t all redirect
> to less
> inclusive organizations and alliances).
>
> So some questions:
>
> 1. Title: "Evolution of Internet Governance
> Ecosystem/Role of the IGF
> - Reaction to NETmundial + CSTD + WSIS, ITU, other
> fora”. Would it not
> make sense to tweak this rather long title? The first
> half would seem
> fine to me without the second if we just replaced "/"
> with “and the.”
> Thoughts?
>
> 2. The session description that would appear in the
> program would need
> to be recalibrated to reflect the evolution. I’m not
> clear which of
> the bits of text I’ve seen constitute the current draft
> description,
> so if that could be shared for consideration it’d be
> really helpful.
>
> 3. Speakers: the last message I saw, on the main MAG
> list, listed the
> following:
>
> >> On 7 May 2014 16:53, Subi Chaturvedi
> <_subichaturvedi at gmail.com_
> <mailto:subichaturvedi at gmail.__com
> <mailto:subichaturvedi at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> >>> SUGGESTED- (Open to inputs/Suggestions)
> >>>
> >>> A. The strands/org identified are:
> >>> 1. IGF- Janis Karklins
> >>> 2. ITU- Hamadoun Toure’
> >>> 3. ICANN- Fadi Chehade’
> >>> 4. ISOC- Kathy Brown/ Markus Kummer
> >>> 5. IETF-Jari Arkko
> >>> 6. W3C- Tim Berners Lee
> >>> 7. Netmundial- Amb. Fonseka/Prof. Virgilio (Chair)
> >>>
> >>> B. Stakeholder Speakers (Suggested)
> >>> 1. Academia: Milton Mueller/ Stephanie Parrin/
> Wolfgang Kleinwächter
> >>> 2. Civil Society: Nnenna, Jovan (Diplo)/ Ron
> Dilbert (Citizen Lab)
> >>> 3. Technical Community: Avri Doria, Byron Holland
> (CIRA)
> >>> 4. Private Sector: Vint Cert, Zahid Jamil
> >>> 5. Government: 2-3 (from developing country and
> another from the
> developed C) Proposed names - Neelie Kroes VP-EU and Ed
> Vaizy (The
> Swedish ministers have also been vocal and then there’s
> Marco Civil.
> Requesting one from BRICS (Brazil, India, Russia China,
> South Africa
> might work here.)
>
> I have a couple concerns here. First, I hope we are not
> falling back
> into the trap of building enormous panels, because it
> has been proven
> time and again for a decade not to work well. If we do
> serial talking
> head prepared comments we end up with a disaster, it’s
> boring and
> there’s no time for audience interaction. If we do a more
> moderator-driven talk show interactive format, it gets
> awkward keeping
> everyone in the discussion and the discussion well
> focused. I’ve
> co-moderated a few main session with big panels agreed
> by previous
> MAG+ planning groups and while they were interesting
> enough, it was a
> challenge to avoid having multiple conversational
> threads dangling
> with a big group commenting in different directions.
>
> Second, I’m not clear on how Suggested became Decided,
> but I know
> several folks who have been invited already and assume
> there have been
> others. In previous years this was handled in a different,
> collectively agreed manner.
>
> Could we please have an update on who has been invited
> already, and
> who has accepted? And can we please hold off on going
> further down
> that road until there’s been dialogue and everyone’s on
> board? There
> are 18 people subscribed to this list and I’m guessing I
> am not the
> only one here who doesn’t quite understand where we are
> or how we got
> here. Either way, it would be good for us to proceed
> from here together.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>
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