From wales.baky at googlemail.com  Tue Jul  1 05:57:08 2014
From: wales.baky at googlemail.com (Olawale Bakare)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:57:08 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1,
	Issue 3 - Impeding Factors
Message-ID: <CAA+cxdd-QRo8+N6pWtg_1LhFqQ7T2LCtskO+Cw-Lg0Ju2mUDCw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
on factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

Regards,
Wale




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> Dear colleagues,
>
> Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
> Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
> content".
>
> I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
> Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
> (consultant).
>
> The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
> the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
> ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
> positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
> will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
> means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
> experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).
>
> Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
> mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
> by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
> that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
> booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
> the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.
>
> Immediate asks to all participants:
>
>   *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
> Practices Forums.
>   *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
> public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
>   *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-preparatory-process
>
> Next Steps:
>
>   *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
>   *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
> webinars including all participants.
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> Best regards,
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> The Internet Society
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From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Wed Jul  2 10:26:38 2014
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 14:26:38 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1404230402.2712.bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org@intgovforum.org>
References: <mailman.1.1404230402.2712.bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org@intgovforum.org>
Message-ID: <BE6FB7A3-4946-4BDE-82DA-C92B29F529B4@ifla.org>

Hello everyone

Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the input from Kossi and Wale. I?m going to be bringing a library and information professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and together with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from the creative sector and other important stakeholders - we?d be happy to hear from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion.

>From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's mission to increase access to what users? communities are producing or talking about - whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or printed products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to ICTs through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to play in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation of older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of problems including infrastructure and copyright.

As I?m pushed for time right now, I?m just going to recognise Kossi and Wale?s thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion. In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content amongst other things.

I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I?ll just say that I?m looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post from ISOC today also touches on our topic (http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a great way of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a central part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.

Cheers,

Stuart


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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:51:17 +0100
From: Kossi Amessinou <amessinoukossi at yahoo.fr>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
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Bonsoir ? tous,
L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne
est l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont
d?pourvus de centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la
production locale h?berg?e ? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les
entrepreneurs locaux. Comment changer la donne sans de grands
investissements majeurs? Comment les autres ont commenc?? Un partage
d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre d'h?bergements mod?le est
utile.

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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the
community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways
to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the public
or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-preparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

--
Constance Bommelaer
Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
The Internet Society
www.isoc.org



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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:57:08 +0100
From: Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
- Impeding Factors
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Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
on factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

Regards,
Wale




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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-preparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

--
Constance Bommelaer
Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
The Internet Society
www.isoc.org



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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Wed Jul  2 11:24:17 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
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Greetings everyone,

My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content. 

In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival. 

I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.

Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins. 

> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*

Call on 10 or 11 July

> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*

Call on 24 or 25 July

> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*

Call on 14 or 15 August

> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*

This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.

We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.

Many thanks all.

Sincerely,
Susan Chalmers

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From wales.baky at googlemail.com  Wed Jul  2 14:14:23 2014
From: wales.baky at googlemail.com (Olawale Bakare)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 19:14:23 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 2
Message-ID: <CAA+cxdfVmjNk8AFW=EcWgVNzPpJDJEP1v0qBrOaZkga8byK+Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Stuart,

Thank you for eked out the library perspective. I think it would be more
interesting as discussions progress, especially on getting the public
libraries using ICT for the intellectual property (IP) as well, the
copyright.

Regards,
Wale Bakare


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> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
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> Hello everyone
>
> Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the
> input from Kossi and Wale. I?m going to be bringing a library and
> information professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and
> together with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from
> the creative sector and other important stakeholders - we?d be happy to
> hear from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion.
>
> >From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's mission
> to increase access to what users? communities are producing or talking
> about - whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or
> printed products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to
> ICTs through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to
> play in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation
> of older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of
> problems including infrastructure and copyright.
>
> As I?m pushed for time right now, I?m just going to recognise Kossi and
> Wale?s thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary
> thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around
> network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online
> payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion.
> In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content
> amongst other things.
>
> I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further
> information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I?ll just
> say that I?m looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post
> from ISOC today also touches on our topic (
> http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary
> ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a great way
> of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a central
> part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:51:17 +0100
> From: Kossi Amessinou <amessinoukossi at yahoo.fr>
> To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
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> Bonsoir ? tous,
> L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne
> est l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont
> d?pourvus de centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la
> production locale h?berg?e ? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les
> entrepreneurs locaux. Comment changer la donne sans de grands
> investissements majeurs? Comment les autres ont commenc?? Un partage
> d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre d'h?bergements mod?le est
> utile.
>
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 20:06:39 +0000
> From: Constance Bommelaer <bommelaer at isoc.org>
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
> <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Launch - IGF Best Practices - Local Content
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>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
> Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
> content".
>
> I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
> Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
> (consultant).
>
> The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
> the
> community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways
> to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
> positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
> will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
> means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
> experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).
>
> Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
> mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
> by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
> that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
> booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
> the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.
>
> Immediate asks to all participants:
>
>  *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
> Practices Forums.
>  *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the public
> or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
>  *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-preparatory-process
>
> Next Steps:
>
>  *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
>  *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
> webinars including all participants.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Constance Bommelaer
> Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
> The Internet Society
> www.isoc.org
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> Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:57:08 +0100
> From: Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com>
> To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
> - Impeding Factors
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> Dear Constance,
>
> Thank you for your email.
> Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
> on factors, like:
> 1. Net-neutrality
> 2. Privacy
> In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
> involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
> government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
> multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.
>
> How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?
>
> Regards,
> Wale
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>
>
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 20:06:39 +0000
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>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
> Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
> content".
>
> I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
> Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
> (consultant).
>
> The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
> the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
> ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
> positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
> will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
> means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
> experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).
>
> Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
> mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
> by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
> that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
> booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
> the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.
>
> Immediate asks to all participants:
>
>  *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
> Practices Forums.
>  *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
> public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
>  *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
>
> http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-preparatory-process
>
> Next Steps:
>
>  *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
>  *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
> webinars including all participants.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Constance Bommelaer
> Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
> The Internet Society
> www.isoc.org
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From kende at isoc.org  Fri Jul  4 04:58:29 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 08:58:29 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
In-Reply-To: <F7C3EB17-1FE8-4027-B9AA-243F9E203A41@susanchalmers.com>
References: <F7C3EB17-1FE8-4027-B9AA-243F9E203A41@susanchalmers.com>
Message-ID: <CFDC24EF.2BBE6%kende@isoc.org>

Hello Susan,

Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group.  By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.

With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local content.

For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary  which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability.  The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make it appealing.  While it is true that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with government.  Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will attract more people online, and lead to more local content being developed.

For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be addressed to meet the need for local content:

  *   Technical infrastructure.  Today in many African countries the bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds latency which makes it less usable.  Thus, in addition to focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting infrastructure in-country or region:  data centers, content delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for efficient routing.
  *   Governance.  Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and international content that will make use of the local hosting infrastructure.
  *   Capacity building.  Increasing literacy and computer literacy on  the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase the amount of content developed and used.

Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together on progressing these important topics.

Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule

Greetings everyone,

My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content.

In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.

I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.

Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins.


1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*

Call on 10 or 11 July


2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*

3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*

Call on 24 or 25 July


4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*

5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*

6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*

Call on 14 or 15 August


7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*

This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.

We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org<http://www.friendsoftheigf.org> will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.

Many thanks all.

Sincerely,
Susan Chalmers

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From dessalegn_m at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  4 06:39:44 2014
From: dessalegn_m at yahoo.com (Dessalegn Mequanint)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 03:39:44 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
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	<CFDC24EF.2BBE6%kende@isoc.org>
Message-ID: <1404470384.4332.YahooMailNeo@web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>



Hello Everyone,
I have joined this group very
recently and have been reading the issues discussed with respect to local
content with interest. ?I would like to point
out a few items that may help in shaping up the definition . I see some sort of
resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing a couple of weeks back
in an IETF working group under establishment, known as gaia(Global Access for Internet
for All) . The thread was about issues(localization or internationalization) as
good a constraint as access to Infrastructure divide, some may call it problems
beyond connectivity. We pointed out technical considerations like the
following:
-????????? edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised
versions of content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French
subtitled version of an English movie in France.
-????????? Accessibility ?issues such as when a blind person asks for a
HTML page, they might want a braille encoded version or an audio recording --
this needs particular care when designing interactive applications such as
forms rather than retrieving; a deaf person might want an audio described
version of a movie.
I would
like also to add non-technical to the issue:
-????????? Identifying/ designing a replicable template
for local content policy 


Dessalegn.




On Friday, July 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
 


Hello Susan,

Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group. ?By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.

With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local content.

For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog?http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary? which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability. ?The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make it appealing. ?While it is true that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with government. ?Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will
 attract more people online, and lead to more local content being developed.

For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be addressed to meet the need for local content:
	* Technical infrastructure. ?Today in many African countries the bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds latency which makes it less usable. ?Thus, in addition to focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting infrastructure in-country or region: ?data centers, content delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for efficient routing.
	* Governance. ?Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and international content that will make use of the local hosting infrastructure. ?
	* Capacity building. ?Increasing literacy and computer literacy on ?the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase the amount of content developed and used.
Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together on progressing these important topics.

Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule


Greetings everyone,

My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content. 

In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.?

I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.

Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion.?Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins.?


1.?????Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*

Call on 10 or 11 July


2.?????Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
>3.?????Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*

Call on 24 or 25 July


4.?????What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
>5.?????Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
>6.?????Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*

Call on 14 or 15 August


7.?????Insights gained as a result of the experience and?8.??Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*

This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.

We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.

Many thanks all.

Sincerely,
Susan Chalmers


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From kolubahzizi at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  4 09:07:02 2014
From: kolubahzizi at yahoo.com (Kolubahzizi T. Howard)
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2014 13:07:02 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
Message-ID: <14c2m2k3xyya56w6enegjjry.1404479222287@email.android.com>

Thanks Susan. ?I support the approach presented.?
Kind regards.?
Kolubahzizi Howard


Sent from Samsung Mobile

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From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> 
Date:02/07/2014  15:24  (GMT+00:00) 
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org 
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule 

Greetings everyone,

My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content. 

In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.?

I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.

Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion.?Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins.?

1.?????Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*

Call on 10 or 11 July

2.?????Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
3.?????Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*

Call on 24 or 25 July

4.?????What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
5.?????Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
6.?????Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*

Call on 14 or 15 August

7.?????Insights gained as a result of the experience and?8.??Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*

This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.

We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.

Many thanks all.

Sincerely,
Susan Chalmers

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From wales.baky at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  4 09:45:56 2014
From: wales.baky at googlemail.com (Olawale Bakare)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 14:45:56 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest
Message-ID: <CAA+cxdcgJ7jm0iyjnKGhB8C7bRoc6Ukj1mDxg23yFM6ZM3uxaw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Michael,

I think, there's a relativity to the points highlighted.
In developing nations for instance, first point strongly and/or directly
dependent on second point. Thereby, making content development realistic
depends on many factors but, priority tilts towards these two:
a. Technical Infrastructure - inhabitants of developing nations do struggle
with affordability and accessibility of internet
b. Governance- This is another important issue needing all attentions by
the multistakeholder. However, business sector as well as government
must/should address this fairly.
In Africa nations, large number of internet savvy ones do have access but,
a cut throat. How are the existing government policies operate,effectively
for or against local service providers? How would the local technical
community better collaboration with government for a better and affordable
services?

In developed nations, there are encouraging activities pointing in the
direction of governance and technical infrastructure, i think. So also,
capacity development not giving a less focus attention.

Regards,
Wale



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> From: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>
> To: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>,
>         "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
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> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting
>         schedule
> Message-ID: <CFDC24EF.2BBE6%kende at isoc.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Hello Susan,
>
> Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group.
>  By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working
> on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the
> ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>
> With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the
> need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be
> addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local
> content.
>
> For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog
> http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary
>  which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that
> non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the
> Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or
> affordability.  The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but
> are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure
> needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make
> it appealing.  While it is true that the Internet provides access to global
> information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a
> significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends,
> neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with
> government.  Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need
> to access local content, which will attract more people online, and lead to
> more local content being developed.
>
> For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be
> addressed to meet the need for local content:
>
>   *   Technical infrastructure.  Today in many African countries the bulk
> of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted
> in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds
> latency which makes it less usable.  Thus, in addition to focusing on
> access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting
> infrastructure in-country or region:  data centers, content delivery
> networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for
> efficient routing.
>   *   Governance.  Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation
> laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and
> international content that will make use of the local hosting
> infrastructure.
>   *   Capacity building.  Increasing literacy and computer literacy on
>  the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase
> the amount of content developed and used.
>
> Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together
> on progressing these important topics.
>
> Michael
>
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:
> susan at susanchalmers.com>>
> Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:
> bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:
> bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a
> facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>
> In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy
> consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I
> was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior
> to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist,
> cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.
>
> I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look
> forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a
> well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on
> best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>
> Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this
> topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack,
> I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the
> discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants
> who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us
> all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul
> begins.
>
>
> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
> Call on 10 or 11 July
>
>
> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry
> development) *10 - 16 July*
>
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives,
> impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
> Call on 24 or 25 July
>
>
> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30
> July*
>
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31
> July - 6 August*
>
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is
> needed *7 - 13 August*
>
> Call on 14 or 15 August
>
>
> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed
> steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
> This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with
> the consultants to finalise our draft.
>
> We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue,
> provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule.
> Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the
> meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you
> are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for
> "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org<http://www.friendsoftheigf.org>
> will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.
>
> Many thanks all.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan Chalmers
>
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> Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 03:39:44 -0700
> From: Dessalegn Mequanint <dessalegn_m at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Susan Chalmers
>         <susan at susanchalmers.com>,      "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>         <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting
>         schedule
> Message-ID:
>         <1404470384.4332.YahooMailNeo at web161402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> I have joined this group very
> recently and have been reading the issues discussed with respect to local
> content with interest. ?I would like to point
> out a few items that may help in shaping up the definition . I see some
> sort of
> resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing a couple of weeks
> back
> in an IETF working group under establishment, known as gaia(Global Access
> for Internet
> for All) . The thread was about issues(localization or
> internationalization) as
> good a constraint as access to Infrastructure divide, some may call it
> problems
> beyond connectivity. We pointed out technical considerations like the
> following:
> -????????? edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised
> versions of content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French
> subtitled version of an English movie in France.
> -????????? Accessibility ?issues such as when a blind person asks for a
> HTML page, they might want a braille encoded version or an audio recording
> --
> this needs particular care when designing interactive applications such as
> forms rather than retrieving; a deaf person might want an audio described
> version of a movie.
> I would
> like also to add non-technical to the issue:
> -????????? Identifying/ designing a replicable template
> for local content policy
>
>
> Dessalegn.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, July 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello Susan,
>
> Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group.
> ?By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working
> on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the
> ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>
> With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the
> need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be
> addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local
> content.
>
> For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog?
> http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary?
> which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet
> users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of
> typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability. ?The surveys
> do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to
> not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also
> the content and applications that will make it appealing. ?While it is true
> that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled
> amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage
> is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up
> local services and interacting with government. ?Thus we think a good
> starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will
>  attract more people online, and lead to more local content being
> developed.
>
> For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be
> addressed to meet the need for local content:
>         * Technical infrastructure. ?Today in many African countries the
> bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is
> hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and
> also adds latency which makes it less usable. ?Thus, in addition to
> focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering
> hosting infrastructure in-country or region: ?data centers, content
> delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange
> point for efficient routing.
>         * Governance. ?Issues relating to intermediate liability,
> defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and
> international content that will make use of the local hosting
> infrastructure. ?
>         * Capacity building. ?Increasing literacy and computer literacy on
> ?the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase
> the amount of content developed and used.
> Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together
> on progressing these important topics.
>
> Michael
>
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a
> facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>
> In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy
> consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I
> was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior
> to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist,
> cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.?
>
> I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look
> forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a
> well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on
> best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>
> Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion.?Because this
> topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack,
> I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the
> discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants
> who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us
> all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul
> begins.?
>
>
> 1.?????Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
> Call on 10 or 11 July
>
>
> 2.?????Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry
> development) *10 - 16 July*
> >3.?????Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives,
> impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
> Call on 24 or 25 July
>
>
> 4.?????What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30
> July*
> >5.?????Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31
> July - 6 August*
> >6.?????Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is
> needed *7 - 13 August*
>
> Call on 14 or 15 August
>
>
> 7.?????Insights gained as a result of the experience and?8.??Proposed
> steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
> This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with
> the consultants to finalise our draft.
>
> We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue,
> provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule.
> Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the
> meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you
> are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for
> "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some
> past IGF discussions on the topic.
>
> Many thanks all.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan Chalmers
>
>
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From dessalegn_m at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  4 10:12:47 2014
From: dessalegn_m at yahoo.com (Dessalegn Mequanint)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 07:12:47 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest
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Hi Everyone,
I have joined this group very
recently and have been reading the issues discussed with respect to local
content with interest. ?I would like to point
out a few items that may help in shaping up the definition . I see some sort of
resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing a couple of weeks back
in an IETF working group under establishment, known as gaia(Global Access Internet
for All) . The thread was about issues(localization or internationalization) as
good a constraint as access to Infrastructure divide, some may call it problems
beyond connectivity. We pointed out technical considerations like the
following:
-????????? edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised
versions of content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French
subtitled version of an English movie in France.
-????????? Accessibility ?issues such as when a blind person asks for a
HTML page, they might want a braille encoded version or an audio recording --
this needs particular care when designing interactive applications such as
forms rather than retrieving; a deaf person might want an audio described
version of a movie.
I would
like also to add non-technical item to the list
-????????? Identifying/ designing a replicable template
for local content policy?


On Friday, July 4, 2014 4:45 PM, Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com> wrote:
 


Dear Michael, 

I think, there's a relativity to the points highlighted.
In developing nations for instance, first point strongly and/or directly dependent on second point. Thereby, making content development realistic depends on many factors but, priority tilts towards these two:
a. Technical Infrastructure - inhabitants of developing nations do struggle with affordability and accessibility of internet ?? 
b. Governance- This is another important issue needing all attentions by the multistakeholder. However, business sector as well as government? must/should address this fairly.? 
In Africa nations, large number of internet savvy ones do have access but, a cut throat. How are the existing government policies operate,effectively for or against local service providers? How would the local technical community better collaboration with government for a better and affordable services?

In developed nations, there are encouraging activities pointing in the direction of governance and technical infrastructure, i think. So also, capacity development not giving a less focus attention. 

Regards,

Wale





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>From: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>
>To: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>,
>? ? ? ? "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting
>? ? ? ? schedule
>Message-ID: <CFDC24EF.2BBE6%kende at isoc.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
>Hello Susan,
>
>Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group. ?By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>
>With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local content.
>
>For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary ?which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability. ?The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make it appealing. ?While it is true that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with government. ?Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will attract
 more people online, and lead to more local content being developed.
>
>For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be addressed to meet the need for local content:
>
>? * ? Technical infrastructure. ?Today in many African countries the bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds latency which makes it less usable. ?Thus, in addition to focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting infrastructure in-country or region: ?data centers, content delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for efficient routing.
>? * ? Governance. ?Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and international content that will make use of the local hosting infrastructure.
>? * ? Capacity building. ?Increasing literacy and computer literacy on ?the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase the amount of content developed and used.
>
>Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together on progressing these important topics.
>
>Michael
>
>From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
>Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
>To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
>Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>
>Greetings everyone,
>
>My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>
>In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.
>
>I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>
>Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins.
>
>
>1. ? ? Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
>Call on 10 or 11 July
>
>
>2. ? ? Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
>
>3. ? ? Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
>Call on 24 or 25 July
>
>
>4. ? ? What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
>
>5. ? ? Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
>
>6. ? ? Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*
>
>Call on 14 or 15 August
>
>
>7. ? ? Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8. ?Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
>This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.
>
>We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org<http://www.friendsoftheigf.org> will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.
>
>Many thanks all.
>
>Sincerely,
>Susan Chalmers
>
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>From: Dessalegn Mequanint <dessalegn_m at yahoo.com>
>To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Susan Chalmers
>? ? ? ? <susan at susanchalmers.com>, ? ? ?"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>? ? ? ? <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
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>
>Hello Everyone,
>I have joined this group very
>recently and have been reading the issues discussed with respect to local
>content with interest. ?I would like to point
>out a few items that may help in shaping up the definition . I see some sort of
>resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing a couple of weeks back
>in an IETF working group under establishment, known as gaia(Global Access for Internet
>for All) . The thread was about issues(localization or internationalization) as
>good a constraint as access to Infrastructure divide, some may call it problems
>beyond connectivity. We pointed out technical considerations like the
>following:
>-????????? edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised
>versions of content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French
>subtitled version of an English movie in France.
>-????????? Accessibility ?issues such as when a blind person asks for a
>HTML page, they might want a braille encoded version or an audio recording --
>this needs particular care when designing interactive applications such as
>forms rather than retrieving; a deaf person might want an audio described
>version of a movie.
>I would
>like also to add non-technical to the issue:
>-????????? Identifying/ designing a replicable template
>for local content policy
>
>
>Dessalegn.
>
>
>
>
>On Friday, July 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>Hello Susan,
>
>Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the group. ?By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>
>With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local content.
>
>For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog?http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary? which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability. ?The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make it appealing. ?While it is true that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with government. ?Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will
>?attract more people online, and lead to more local content being developed.
>
>For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be addressed to meet the need for local content:
>? ? ? ? * Technical infrastructure. ?Today in many African countries the bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds latency which makes it less usable. ?Thus, in addition to focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting infrastructure in-country or region: ?data centers, content delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for efficient routing.
>? ? ? ? * Governance. ?Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and international content that will make use of the local hosting infrastructure. ?
>? ? ? ? * Capacity building. ?Increasing literacy and computer literacy on ?the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase the amount of content developed and used.
>Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together on progressing these important topics.
>
>Michael
>
>From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
>Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
>To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>
>
>Greetings everyone,
>
>My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>
>In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist, cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.?
>
>I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>
>Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion.?Because this topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack, I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul begins.?
>
>
>1.?????Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
>Call on 10 or 11 July
>
>
>2.?????Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
>>3.?????Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
>Call on 24 or 25 July
>
>
>4.?????What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
>>5.?????Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
>>6.?????Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*
>
>Call on 14 or 15 August
>
>
>7.?????Insights gained as a result of the experience and?8.??Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
>This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work with the consultants to finalise our draft.
>
>We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some past IGF discussions on the topic.
>
>Many thanks all.
>
>Sincerely,
>Susan Chalmers
>
>
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 14:32:38 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:32:38 +0100
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sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 4 Jul 2014 15:13, "Dessalegn Mequanint" <dessalegn_m at yahoo.com> wrote:
I see some sort of resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing
a couple of weeks back in an IETF working group under establishment, known
as gaia(Global Access Internet for All) .

Unrelated- will be a good wg to join. Interested!

<snip>

  We pointed out technical considerations like the following:
> -          edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised versions of
content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French subtitled
version of an English movie in France.
>
Not sure I got the practicality of this. Can we really see caching as a
local content per-see? How about if the actual French version of the movie
does not exist as I think it will be major concern for local content users

How about delivering local version of a content (if available) once someone
try to access the content. Similar to the technology behind getting .ng if
using Google from Nigeria or .us if in the States et all.

Regards
>
> On Friday, July 4, 2014 4:45 PM, Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear Michael,
>
> I think, there's a relativity to the points highlighted.
> In developing nations for instance, first point strongly and/or directly
dependent on second point. Thereby, making content development realistic
depends on many factors but, priority tilts towards these two:
> a. Technical Infrastructure - inhabitants of developing nations do
struggle with affordability and accessibility of internet
> b. Governance- This is another important issue needing all attentions by
the multistakeholder. However, business sector as well as government
must/should address this fairly.
> In Africa nations, large number of internet savvy ones do have access
but, a cut throat. How are the existing government policies
operate,effectively for or against local service providers? How would the
local technical community better collaboration with government for a better
and affordable services?
>
> In developed nations, there are encouraging activities pointing in the
direction of governance and technical infrastructure, i think. So also,
capacity development not giving a less focus attention.
>
> Regards,
> Wale
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 11:39 AM, <bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org>
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>> From: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>
>> To: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>,
>>         "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <
bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting
>>         schedule
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>>
>> Hello Susan,
>>
>> Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the
group.  By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am
working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is
the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>>
>> With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the
need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be
addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local
content.
>>
>> For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog
http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary
 which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that
non-Internet users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the
Internet ahead of typical digital divide issues such as cost or
affordability.  The surveys do not cover a full spread of countries, but
are indicative of the need to not just address the access infrastructure
needed to get online, but also the content and applications that will make
it appealing.  While it is true that the Internet provides access to global
information in unparalleled amounts, we can see in our own lives that a
significant amount of our usage is local ? emailing our friends,
neighbours, and colleagues; looking up local services and interacting with
government.  Thus we think a good starting point is to highlight the need
to access local content, which will attract more people online, and lead to
more local content being developed.
>>
>> For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be
addressed to meet the need for local content:
>>
>>   *   Technical infrastructure.  Today in many African countries the
bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is
hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and
also adds latency which makes it less usable.  Thus, in addition to
focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering
hosting infrastructure in-country or region:  data centers, content
delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange
point for efficient routing.
>>   *   Governance.  Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation
laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and
international content that will make use of the local hosting
infrastructure.
>>   *   Capacity building.  Increasing literacy and computer literacy on
 the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase
the amount of content developed and used.
>>
>> Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working
together on progressing these important topics.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:
susan at susanchalmers.com>>
>> Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
>> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:
bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:
bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
>> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>> My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a
facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>>
>> In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy
consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I
was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior
to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist,
cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.
>>
>> I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look
forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a
well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on
best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>>
>> Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this
topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack,
I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the
discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants
who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us
all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul
begins.
>>
>>
>> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>>
>> Call on 10 or 11 July
>>
>>
>> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry
development) *10 - 16 July*
>>
>> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives,
impediments *17 - 23 July*
>>
>> Call on 24 or 25 July
>>
>>
>> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30
July*
>>
>> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31
July - 6 August*
>>
>> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is
needed *7 - 13 August*
>>
>> Call on 14 or 15 August
>>
>>
>> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed
steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>>
>> This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work
with the consultants to finalise our draft.
>>
>> We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the
issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above
schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no.
1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the
issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a
search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org<
http://www.friendsoftheigf.org> will provide you with some past IGF
discussions on the topic.
>>
>> Many thanks all.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Susan Chalmers
>>
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>> To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Susan Chalmers
>>         <susan at susanchalmers.com>,      "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>>         <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting
>>         schedule
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>> I have joined this group very
>> recently and have been reading the issues discussed with respect to local
>> content with interest. ?I would like to point
>> out a few items that may help in shaping up the definition . I see some
sort of
>> resemblance with the thread that we have been discussing a couple of
weeks back
>> in an IETF working group under establishment, known as gaia(Global
Access for Internet
>> for All) . The thread was about issues(localization or
internationalization) as
>> good a constraint as access to Infrastructure divide, some may call it
problems
>> beyond connectivity. We pointed out technical considerations like the
>> following:
>> -????????? edge caching- it helps to retrieve localised
>> versions of content when someone else may have retrieved, say a French
>> subtitled version of an English movie in France.
>> -????????? Accessibility ?issues such as when a blind person asks for a
>> HTML page, they might want a braille encoded version or an audio
recording --
>> this needs particular care when designing interactive applications such
as
>> forms rather than retrieving; a deaf person might want an audio described
>> version of a movie.
>> I would
>> like also to add non-technical to the issue:
>> -????????? Identifying/ designing a replicable template
>> for local content policy
>>
>>
>> Dessalegn.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 4, 2014 11:58 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Susan,
>>
>> Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the
group. ?By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am
working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is
the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>>
>> With respect to the definition of the issue, we would look first at the
need for access to local content, and then the issues that need to be
addressed to create an enabling environment for development of local
content.
>>
>> For the first point, Stuart kindly noted my recent blog?
http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-not-binary?
which highlights that in many countries, surveys indicate that non-Internet
users cite a lack of interest, or understanding of the Internet ahead of
typical digital divide issues such as cost or affordability. ?The surveys
do not cover a full spread of countries, but are indicative of the need to
not just address the access infrastructure needed to get online, but also
the content and applications that will make it appealing. ?While it is true
that the Internet provides access to global information in unparalleled
amounts, we can see in our own lives that a significant amount of our usage
is local ? emailing our friends, neighbours, and colleagues; looking up
local services and interacting with government. ?Thus we think a good
starting point is to highlight the need to access local content, which will
>>  attract more people online, and lead to more local content being
developed.
>>
>> For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be
addressed to meet the need for local content:
>>         * Technical infrastructure. ?Today in many African countries the
bulk of local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is
hosted in the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and
also adds latency which makes it less usable. ?Thus, in addition to
focusing on access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering
hosting infrastructure in-country or region: ?data centers, content
delivery networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange
point for efficient routing.
>>         * Governance. ?Issues relating to intermediate liability,
defamation laws, copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and
international content that will make use of the local hosting
infrastructure. ?
>>         * Capacity building. ?Increasing literacy and computer literacy
on ?the demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will
increase the amount of content developed and used.
>> Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working
together on progressing these important topics.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
>> Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
>> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>> My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a
facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>>
>> In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy
consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I
was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior
to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist,
cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.?
>>
>> I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look
forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a
well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on
best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>>
>> Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion.?Because this
topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack,
I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the
discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants
who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us
all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul
begins.?
>>
>>
>> 1.?????Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>>
>> Call on 10 or 11 July
>>
>>
>> 2.?????Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry
development) *10 - 16 July*
>> >3.?????Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives,
impediments *17 - 23 July*
>>
>> Call on 24 or 25 July
>>
>>
>> 4.?????What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30
July*
>> >5.?????Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad
*31 July - 6 August*
>> >6.?????Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is
needed *7 - 13 August*
>>
>> Call on 14 or 15 August
>>
>>
>> 7.?????Insights gained as a result of the experience and?8.??Proposed
steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>>
>> This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work
with the consultants to finalise our draft.
>>
>> We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the
issue, provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above
schedule. Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no.
1. In the meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the
issue. If you are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a
search for "local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with
some past IGF discussions on the topic.
>>
>> Many thanks all.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Susan Chalmers
>>
>>
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Seun

I think you?re talking about something quite different

Getting google.ng in Nigeria would be geo-ip based content localisation, whereas the talk of caching etc., might be more down to network configuration and optimisation.

Unless I?ve missed something?

Regards

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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 14:41:08 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 19:41:08 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest
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Hello Michele,

I made a comment on caching in response to Dessalegn then I suggest
something else that could get local content closer to it's user.

Regards

sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 4 Jul 2014 19:35, "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.com>
wrote:

>  Seun
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> I think you?re talking about something quite different
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> Getting google.ng in Nigeria would be geo-ip based content localisation,
> whereas the talk of caching etc., might be more down to network
> configuration and optimisation.
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> Unless I?ve missed something?
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Fri Jul  4 15:36:42 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2014 20:36:42 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
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Hello Michael,

Kindly find my response inset

sent from Google nexus 4
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On 4 Jul 2014 09:58, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
> Hello Susan,
>
> Great to have this opportunity to work with you and the rest of the
group.  By way of introduction, I am the Chief Economist at ISOC, and am
working on this best practice group alongside Konstantinos Komaitis, who is
the ISOC Policy Advisor responsible for digital content issues.
>
Nice meeting both of you, through this medium. ;)

<snip>

> For the second point, we would highlight three areas that need to be
addressed to meet the need for local content:
> Technical infrastructure.  Today in many African countries the bulk of
local content is hosted in Europe, while in Latin America it is hosted in
the US ? this increases the cost of accessing the content and also adds
latency which makes it less usable.  Thus, in addition to focusing on
access infrastructure, it is important to focus on fostering hosting
infrastructure in-country or region:  data centers, content delivery
networks, servers or caches, connected to an Internet exchange point for
efficient routing.

You are spot-on with this, especially for the African region. Africa has
created quite a lot of content, however those content are not credited to
the region because they are hosted off the continent. There are quite a few
major factors causing this:

- Bandwidth cost: Bandwidth cost in the region is still relatively high
compared to other region; the reason for this is largely related to
in-country connectivity (local loop) that is not increasing at the rate
similar to that of the inter-country connectivity (submarine cables). This
makes hosting cost usually a little bit higher than other region
- Availability of service: The cost of ensuring service availability in
this region is also high and this is largely due to unstable power supply
in the region. This extra cost also translate to high hosting cost.
- Tradition: While the 2 point above are still valid, I can say that
hosting cost has really reduced in recent times. However because people are
used to such offshore hosting, making a change becomes a problem.

> Governance.  Issues relating to intermediate liability, defamation laws,
copyright, etc. that will increase the amount of local and international
content that will make use of the local hosting infrastructure.
>

Government really have a big role to play in developing infrastructure
locally. They also need to introduce and implement policies that will
encourage emergence of local service providers. Local content starts right
from the domain name, and up to the actual content; ways of marketing the
ccTLDs as a form of encouraging local content needs to be explored.

> Capacity building.  Increasing literacy and computer literacy on  the
demand-side, and computer training on the supply-side, will increase the
amount of content developed and used.
>
Educating decision makers is key; Ways to sell local solutions as being
superior to foreign equivalent is one of the puzzle to crack.

> Hope this is helpful ? I am very much looking forward to working together
on progressing these important topics.
>
It's really helpful way to start us up.

Regards

> Michael
>
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> Date: Wednesday 2 July 2014 17:24
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Introduction, discussion & meeting schedule
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
> My name is Susan and I am pleased to serve, alongside Stuart, as a
facilitator of our discussion on local content.
>
> In the way of brief introduction, I am an independent Internet Policy
consultant based in Kalamazoo, Michigan, USA, and a member of the MAG. I
was the Policy Lead for InternetNZ for two years. I am a lawyer who, prior
to law school, devoted my life to music as a classically-trained pianist,
cellist, and director of a chamber music festival.
>
> I think that our topic is a fascinating, multifaceted issue. I look
forward to learning from this esteemed group, and to producing a
well-informed, balanced, comprehensive and, above all, useful document on
best practices for enabling the development of local content.
>
> Constance provided an 8-point template for our discussion. Because this
topic involves a broad number of issues, from Layer 1 up through the stack,
I propose that we take each item at a time in order to focus the
discussion. This approach should also make it easier for the consultants
who are synthesising the discussion into a background paper, and help us
all avoid a mad rush at the end of August before the meeting in Istanbul
begins.
>
>> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
>
> Call on 10 or 11 July
>
>> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry
development) *10 - 16 July*
>>
>> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives,
impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
>
> Call on 24 or 25 July
>
>> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30
July*
>>
>> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31
July - 6 August*
>>
>> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is
needed *7 - 13 August*
>
>
> Call on 14 or 15 August
>
>> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed
steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
>
> This will leave a week and a half for concluding thoughts and to work
with the consultants to finalise our draft.
>
> We should begin our substantive discussion shortly on defining the issue,
provided there aren't any strenuous objections to the above schedule.
Either Stuart or I shall send out an email tomorrow on item no. 1. In the
meantime I propose that we all reflect on how to define the issue. If you
are seeking some reference materials to spark some thought, a search for
"local content" at www.friendsoftheigf.org will provide you with some past
IGF discussions on the topic.
>
> Many thanks all.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan Chalmers
>
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From gurstein at gmail.com  Sat Jul  5 04:30:31 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:30:31 +0200
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1
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Hi Stuart and everyone,

 

Thanks for the initiative and the issues related to local content are of
course of significant interest to the Community Informatics (CI) community
with whom I'll be sharing aspects of the on-going discussion as appropriate.

 

>From a CI perspective I'd like to raise a couple of points (which in many
respects interestingly parallel the comments from Michael Kende.

 

First, one of the issues that CI has been very concerned about since the
initial WSIS processes is that the "access" terminology and perspective
always been understood and expressed as "access and effective use".  What is
meant here is that "access" alone -whether to infrastructure, hardware,
software or even content is insufficient if the pre-conditions necessary to
allow those particularly at the grassroots and in otherwise marginalized
groups such as those with disabilities, women, the aged etc. to make
(effective) use are not in place.  That means that not only is there a
concern with ensuring simple "access" but also that there is concern with
those pre-conditions which enable "effective use" which include appropriate
training, technical assists where necessary, organizational/mentoring
supports, appropriately designed software and hardware and so on.

 

Second, it isn't clear (to me) from the materials on this discussion that
I've received so far whether this discussion is meant to include digitally
enabled services as an element of "local content". From a CI perspective the
development, provision and local control over the variety of digitally
enabled services is a very significant element of desirable local use.

 

Best and looking forward to a useful discussion.

 

Mike

 

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
Behalf Of Stuart Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 4:27 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

 

Hello everyone 

 

Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the input
from Kossi and Wale. I'm going to be bringing a library and information
professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and together
with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from the
creative sector and other important stakeholders - we'd be happy to hear
from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion. 

 

>From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's mission to
increase access to what users' communities are producing or talking about -
whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or printed
products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to ICTs
through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to play
in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation of
older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of
problems including infrastructure and copyright.

 

As I'm pushed for time right now, I'm just going to recognise Kossi and
Wale's thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary
thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around
network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online
payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion.
In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content
amongst other things.

 

I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further
information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I'll just
say that I'm looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post
from ISOC today also touches on our topic
(http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-no
t-binary ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a
great way of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a
central part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.

 

Cheers,

 

Stuart

 

 

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 22:51:17 +0100
From: Kossi Amessinou <amessinoukossi at yahoo.fr>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1, Issue 3
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Bonsoir ? tous,
L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne
est l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont
d?pourvus de centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la
production locale h?berg?e ? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les
entrepreneurs locaux. Comment changer la donne sans de grands
investissements majeurs? Comment les autres ont commenc?? Un partage
d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre d'h?bergements mod?le est
utile.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 20:06:39 +0000
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Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Launch - IGF Best Practices - Local Content
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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the
community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways
to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the public
or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

--
Constance Bommelaer
Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
The Internet Society
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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:57:08 +0100
From: Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1,

Issue 3
- Impeding Factors
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Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
on factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

Regards,
Wale




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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

--
Constance Bommelaer
Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
The Internet Society
www.isoc.org



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From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Doodle Poll for call 1 / 3
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Greetings, all,

Please find below a link to a Doodle poll so that we can schedule our first
call at the end of this week, as indicated in the schedule circulated last
week.

We'd be grateful if you could please respond within the next day.

http://doodle.com/aad8si2hy3beh64c

Many thanks,
Susan

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From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 15:29:24 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10
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Hi everyone

Thanks Michael - I'd have to agree with you that going beyond the traditional definition of access is important. While it's not explicitly concerned with the creation of local content, I think that the 'Beyond Access' project, where the public library is used as a key access point for ICTs, has some good elements that need to be considered - not least skills and training. See here for more www.beyondaccess.net and take a look at some of the projects. 

I think your second point is highly relevant considering our schedule which currently has us looking at definitions. This substantial report from UNESCO in 2011 (http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/news/local_content_study.pdf) suggests the following definition: 

"45. This idea of relevant content in the speaker's own language is called local content. The subset of information that is relevant to an individual is often closely related to knowledge within any of the communities where she or he resides. UNESCO has defined "local content" as an expression and communication of a community's locally generated, owned and adapted knowledge and experience that is relevant to the community's situation (UNESCO, 2001.)"

(nb. This report was presented at the 2011 IGF in Kenya I believe).

So UNESCO appear to focus on knowledge and experience. This seems to exclude services. What do others think - should services be included?

Kind regards,

Stuart

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Hi Stuart and everyone,

 

Thanks for the initiative and the issues related to local content are of course of significant interest to the Community Informatics (CI) community with whom I'll be sharing aspects of the on-going discussion as appropriate.

 

>From a CI perspective I'd like to raise a couple of points (which in 
>many
respects interestingly parallel the comments from Michael Kende.

 

First, one of the issues that CI has been very concerned about since the initial WSIS processes is that the "access" terminology and perspective always been understood and expressed as "access and effective use".  What is meant here is that "access" alone -whether to infrastructure, hardware, software or even content is insufficient if the pre-conditions necessary to allow those particularly at the grassroots and in otherwise marginalized groups such as those with disabilities, women, the aged etc. to make
(effective) use are not in place.  That means that not only is there a concern with ensuring simple "access" but also that there is concern with those pre-conditions which enable "effective use" which include appropriate training, technical assists where necessary, organizational/mentoring supports, appropriately designed software and hardware and so on.

 

Second, it isn't clear (to me) from the materials on this discussion that I've received so far whether this discussion is meant to include digitally enabled services as an element of "local content". From a CI perspective the development, provision and local control over the variety of digitally enabled services is a very significant element of desirable local use.

 

Best and looking forward to a useful discussion.

 

Mike

 

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Hello everyone 

 

Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the input from Kossi and Wale. I'm going to be bringing a library and information professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and together with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from the creative sector and other important stakeholders - we'd be happy to hear from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion. 

 

>From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's 
>mission to
increase access to what users' communities are producing or talking about - whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or printed products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to ICTs through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to play in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation of older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of problems including infrastructure and copyright.

 

As I'm pushed for time right now, I'm just going to recognise Kossi and Wale's thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online
payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion.
In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content amongst other things.

 

I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I'll just say that I'm looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post from ISOC today also touches on our topic (http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-no
t-binary ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a great way of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a central part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.

 

Cheers,

 

Stuart

 

 

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Bonsoir ? tous,
L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne est l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont d?pourvus de centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la production locale h?berg?e ? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les entrepreneurs locaux. Comment changer la donne sans de grands investissements majeurs? Comment les autres ont commenc?? Un partage d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre d'h?bergements mod?le est utile.

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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process, Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers (consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul, that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the public
or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
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Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
on factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

Regards,
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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

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Senior Director, Global Policy Partnerships
The Internet Society
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Mon Jul  7 13:14:04 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 13:14:04 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Greetings,

It's been a pleasure reading through the thoughtful contributions made thus
far towards defining this issue. Let us keep the conversation going before
our initial call.

Stuart, thanks for raising the definition question. I quite like how that
report
<http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/local_content_study.pdf>
puts
"local content" into context in paragraph 2:

*The content that is most important to people is typically in their own
language and is relevant to **the communities in which they live and
work..**This
relevant **content is often referred to as ?local content?. *

Should we operate on the assumption that local content is generally the
most important type of content to any given Internet user? Michael K made
the the point that for those who are not on the Internet because they are
not interested by it, making available local content could pique their
interest and bring them online.

*Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people would like
to volunteer?*

In our conversation, to date, I see general support for breaking down the
issue into three main parts, basically: humans, ICT, and law. I also see
the sub-themes of: local hosting, caching, web accessibility, price of
access, availability of service, availability of power, and telco
regulation's effects on ISPs. (Given the lineage of this conversation I am
convinced that these are just a glimpse into the many subthemes
involved....)

*Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic structure
make sense? Why or why not?*

   1. The human element (digital literacy and skills, web accessibility,
   translation, etc.)
   2. Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and
   int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)
   3. Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco
   regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)

Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind that
we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just as if not
more important, failures, in policy approaches to these main themes and
subthemes.

Sincerely,
Susan


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From: kolubahzizi at yahoo.com (Kolubahzizi T. Howard)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 11:14:55 -0700
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Hello
everyone. It seems to me that the report?s acknowledgment that ?communities
may be defined by their location, culture, language, religion, ethnicity or
area of interest and individuals may belong to many communities at the same
time? provides a lot of room for the development of services oriented local content
to cater to these topics. Local content based on any of the above can be quite
relevant and important for the communities involved. ?

?
Kolubahzizi T. Howard 
President 
ISOC Liberia Chapter &
Director of Strategy
Liberia Telecommunications Authority (LTA) 
+231-776200000/+231880539961/+231-555660001


On Monday, July 7, 2014 3:29 PM, Stuart Hamilton <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org> wrote:
 


Hi everyone

Thanks Michael - I'd have to agree with you that going beyond the traditional definition of access is important. While it's not explicitly concerned with the creation of local content, I think that the 'Beyond Access' project, where the public library is used as a key access point for ICTs, has some good elements that need to be considered - not least skills and training. See here for more www.beyondaccess.net and take a look at some of the projects. 

I think your second point is highly relevant considering our schedule which currently has us looking at definitions. This substantial report from UNESCO in 2011 (http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/news/local_content_study.pdf) suggests the following definition: 

"45. This idea of relevant content in the speaker's own language is called local content. The subset of information that is relevant to an individual is often closely related to knowledge within any of the communities where she or he resides. UNESCO has defined "local content" as an expression and communication of a community's locally generated, owned and adapted knowledge and experience that is relevant to the community's situation (UNESCO, 2001.)"

(nb. This report was presented at the 2011 IGF in Kenya I believe).

So UNESCO appear to focus on knowledge and experience. This seems to exclude services. What do others think - should services be included?

Kind regards,

Stuart

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Hi Stuart and everyone,



Thanks for the initiative and the issues related to local content are of course of significant interest to the Community Informatics (CI) community with whom I'll be sharing aspects of the on-going discussion as appropriate.



>From a CI perspective I'd like to raise a couple of points (which in 
>many
respects interestingly parallel the comments from Michael Kende.



First, one of the issues that CI has been very concerned about since the initial WSIS processes is that the "access" terminology and perspective always been understood and expressed as "access and effective use".? What is meant here is that "access" alone -whether to infrastructure, hardware, software or even content is insufficient if the pre-conditions necessary to allow those particularly at the grassroots and in otherwise marginalized groups such as those with disabilities, women, the aged etc. to make
(effective) use are not in place.? That means that not only is there a concern with ensuring simple "access" but also that there is concern with those pre-conditions which enable "effective use" which include appropriate training, technical assists where necessary, organizational/mentoring supports, appropriately designed software and hardware and so on.



Second, it isn't clear (to me) from the materials on this discussion that I've received so far whether this discussion is meant to include digitally enabled services as an element of "local content". From a CI perspective the development, provision and local control over the variety of digitally enabled services is a very significant element of desirable local use.



Best and looking forward to a useful discussion.



Mike



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Hello everyone 



Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the input from Kossi and Wale. I'm going to be bringing a library and information professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and together with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from the creative sector and other important stakeholders - we'd be happy to hear from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion. 



>From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's 
>mission to
increase access to what users' communities are producing or talking about - whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or printed products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to ICTs through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to play in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation of older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of problems including infrastructure and copyright.



As I'm pushed for time right now, I'm just going to recognise Kossi and Wale's thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online
payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion.
In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content amongst other things.



I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I'll just say that I'm looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post from ISOC today also touches on our topic (http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-no
t-binary ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a great way of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a central part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.



Cheers,



Stuart





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Bonsoir ? tous,
L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne est l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont d?pourvus de centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la production locale h?berg?e ? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les entrepreneurs locaux. Comment changer la donne sans de grands investissements majeurs? Comment les autres ont commenc?? Un partage d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre d'h?bergements mod?le est utile.

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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process, Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers (consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul, that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.? A summary booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

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*?  Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
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Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies
on factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with
the community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing
ways to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.? A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

*?  Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
*?  Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
*?  Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

*?  Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
*?  They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

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From glenn.deen at nbcuni.com  Mon Jul  7 14:18:54 2014
From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:18:54 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Susan and everyone,

I?d like to add the following be included in the discussion.    It maybe useful to recognize that within the topic of local content there are two high level aspects that are necessary for the ecosystem to exist at all:

  1.  Content Creation
  2.  Content Distribution

They are co-dependent since neither can operate without the other. It?s important that the needs of both are considered.


1. Content Creation
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1A:  Creation of Local Content  by both local non-professionals and  local professionals for local consumption.

This could be local individuals creating content to share with friends, family, or groups, and it could be local groups such as social clubs, schools, non-pro sports teams, etc.  It could also be professional content such as news casts, public information,  local movies and TV shows, music performances, professional local sports.

1B. Creation of  Local Content  by both local non-professionals and by local professionals for NON-local consumption.

This includes the items from local-creation-locai-audience, but adds the twist that it is also being delivered outside the local area ? for instance it could be to expatriates or it could be a marketed item shared around the world such as Japanese Manga is popular for consumption in the US.   It is potentially also something that can permit the creation of new-exports for revenue by the local creators, though that comes with significant issues such as how a creator in Country X and be paid by Viewer in Country Y.

This gives local creators an opportunity to build a business exporting their creativity to a global audience.

1C. Creation of Content for a localized consumer by a non-local creator.

This could for example be content created by non-local creator but tailored for the local market.  This could range from language adaptation either through recreation with native speakers, alternate language track dubbing, or language sub-titling.   Again, this can be both non-professional and professional content.   It could also include content created by expatriates of the area that they share to the local viewers.

1D. Tools and technology to create and distribute

The task of creating content requires access to technology and tools to capture the creative content whether it is writing,   video, music, or photographs.   It also requires methods to upload for distribution.    High quality content can require technology to edit along with the skills and knowledge of how to use them.

1E.  The means to express the creators or owners intent in how the content they created gets used and shared.  In others words ,  what license do they grant others AND importantly how to users of their content know how to find this information out?   This isn?t just for professional content, any work created by anyone has someone who sets the rules by which is will be used. If a viewer comes across a photograph or some music on the Internet, how do they go about finding out what they can do with the creative work?


2. Content Distribution:
??????????

2A. Access to Internet distribution infrastructure that can deliver the content with both the required speed, but also with compatible formats or encodings.

2B. Search and Discovery mechanisms that allow the local consumer to find the content they want

2C. Search and Discovery mechanisms that allows the non-local consumer to find the content they want from the remote local.

2D. Respect for copyright and the usage rules set by the creator or owner.

For example, if a person takes a photograph on a beach and wants to limit who can see it ? how does the local distributor handle that?

Another twist here maybe how to deal with Distributors who demand that the local creators surrender ownership of the content to them before they will distribute it.  Again, does the person who took the beach photo loose or surrender their rights to do things like delete the photograph?   There are significant policy issues here to protect creators from being exploited.

2E.  What unique local aspects/needs exist, and how can they be satifisfied ?

For example in some countries such as France there are agencies that archive copies of local content so that they can be made available for researchers and historians.


This isn?t meant to be a complete list ? just a quick breakdown of some of the issues to get us started.  Others should  please add to it.


regards,
Glenn Deen

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Monday, July 7, 2014 at 10:14 AM
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue

Greetings,

It's been a pleasure reading through the thoughtful contributions made thus far towards defining this issue. Let us keep the conversation going before our initial call.

Stuart, thanks for raising the definition question. I quite like how that report<http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/local_content_study.pdf> puts "local content" into context in paragraph 2:

The content that is most important to people is typically in their own language and is relevant to the communities in which they live and work..This relevant content is often referred to as ?local content?.

Should we operate on the assumption that local content is generally the most important type of content to any given Internet user? Michael K made the the point that for those who are not on the Internet because they are not interested by it, making available local content could pique their interest and bring them online.

Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people would like to volunteer?

In our conversation, to date, I see general support for breaking down the issue into three main parts, basically: humans, ICT, and law. I also see the sub-themes of: local hosting, caching, web accessibility, price of access, availability of service, availability of power, and telco regulation's effects on ISPs. (Given the lineage of this conversation I am convinced that these are just a glimpse into the many subthemes involved....)

Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic structure make sense? Why or why not?

  1.  The human element (digital literacy and skills, web accessibility, translation, etc.)
  2.  Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)
  3.  Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)

Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind that we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just as if not more important, failures, in policy approaches to these main themes and subthemes.

Sincerely,
Susan


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From michele at blacknight.com  Mon Jul  7 14:27:28 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:27:28 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Glenn

One of your points triggered something with me ..

Here in Ireland online betting is legal, though it's not legal in the US.

So online betting sites block access to US IPs.

We also see companies like our national broadcaster (http://www.rte.ie/) restricting some of their content to Irish users only.

Not sure how relevant this is, but the legislative / legal angle triggered my thought processes.

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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Mon Jul  7 14:50:02 2014
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 18:50:02 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Hello Michele,

I concur with your point, because based on the context and country, what is
legal in X country might be illegal in Y.  However looking at Glenn's
suggestions, we should also look within the  context and perspective of
local  content creation and distribuition, as within certain Least
developing countries local content creation is  minimal or non existent at.

Regards

poncelet


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>  Glenn
>
>
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> One of your points triggered something with me ..
>
>
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> Here in Ireland online betting is legal, though it?s not legal in the US.
>
>
>
> So online betting sites block access to US IPs.
>
>
>
> We also see companies like our national broadcaster (http://www.rte.ie/)
> restricting some of their content to Irish users only.
>
>
>
> Not sure how relevant this is, but the legislative / legal angle triggered
> my thought processes.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
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>
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From glenn.deen at nbcuni.com  Mon Jul  7 18:33:05 2014
From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:33:05 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Michele,

That?s an interesting addition to what is ?local content?.    I hadn?t considered gambling as local content, but I see now that it could very much be considered to be local content.

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Monday, July 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM
To: Glenn Deen <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>, "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue

Glenn

One of your points triggered something with me ..

Here in Ireland online betting is legal, though it?s not legal in the US.

So online betting sites block access to US IPs.

We also see companies like our national broadcaster (http://www.rte.ie/) restricting some of their content to Irish users only.

Not sure how relevant this is, but the legislative / legal angle triggered my thought processes.

Regards

Michele

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From toml at communisphere.com  Mon Jul  7 18:44:46 2014
From: toml at communisphere.com (Thomas Lowenhaupt)
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2014 15:44:46 -0700
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From michele at blacknight.com  Mon Jul  7 18:50:59 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2014 22:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Thomas

I assume that was addressed to me?

I?m not sure what laws are involved, but since they don?t offer their services to the US market then I assume they?re avoiding headaches with the US in general

See: http://www.michele.ie/post/88821774955/online-gambling-forbidden-at-loews-miami-beach for example

And their terms and conditions:
https://support.paddypower.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2

Regards

Michele

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From: Thomas Lowenhaupt [mailto:toml at communisphere.com]
Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 11:45 PM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Susan Chalmers; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue

Michael,

What law or payment system "encourages" the Irish gambling establishments to block access from U.S. IPs?

Tom Lowenhaupt
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From: "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Date: Mon, July 07, 2014 6:33 pm
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Michele,

That?s an interesting addition to what is ?local content?.    I hadn?t considered gambling as local content, but I see now that it could very much be considered to be local content.

regards
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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Monday, July 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM
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Glenn

One of your points triggered something with me ..

Here in Ireland online betting is legal, though it?s not legal in the US.

So online betting sites block access to US IPs.

We also see companies like our national broadcaster (http://www.rte.ie/) restricting some of their content to Irish users only.

Not sure how relevant this is, but the legislative / legal angle triggered my thought processes.

Regards

Michele

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From kende at isoc.org  Tue Jul  8 03:33:42 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 07:33:42 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Hi Susan,
Thanks for this summary, and I think it is excellent to keep in mind your point at the end regarding the success stories or otherwise - in that respect, we are initiating some work on the local content issue that we will hopefully be able to report on within the timing of this report.
As for definitions, I would like to float the distinction between locally created content and locally relevant content.  The latter is a broader definition, which includes international content relevant to local audiences (YouTube videos, etc.).  This dovetails with a second distinction, between promoting local hosting of content and local creation of content.  While the latter is the goal, I tend to think that the former is precursor to the latter.  In other words, promoting local hosting of locally relevant content (including international and existing local content hosted abroad) will increase usage and interest, which will then help to promote more creation.  As we have a wide group of experts on this list it would be very interesting to have further thoughts on these points.
Many thanks,
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Monday 7 July 2014 19:14
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue

Greetings,

It's been a pleasure reading through the thoughtful contributions made thus far towards defining this issue. Let us keep the conversation going before our initial call.

Stuart, thanks for raising the definition question. I quite like how that report<http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/local_content_study.pdf> puts "local content" into context in paragraph 2:

The content that is most important to people is typically in their own language and is relevant to the communities in which they live and work..This relevant content is often referred to as "local content".

Should we operate on the assumption that local content is generally the most important type of content to any given Internet user? Michael K made the the point that for those who are not on the Internet because they are not interested by it, making available local content could pique their interest and bring them online.

Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people would like to volunteer?

In our conversation, to date, I see general support for breaking down the issue into three main parts, basically: humans, ICT, and law. I also see the sub-themes of: local hosting, caching, web accessibility, price of access, availability of service, availability of power, and telco regulation's effects on ISPs. (Given the lineage of this conversation I am convinced that these are just a glimpse into the many subthemes involved....)

Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic structure make sense? Why or why not?

  1.  The human element (digital literacy and skills, web accessibility, translation, etc.)
  2.  Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)
  3.  Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)

Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind that we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just as if not more important, failures, in policy approaches to these main themes and subthemes.

Sincerely,
Susan


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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 04:28:14 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 09:28:14 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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Hello Susan,

On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>
> Should we operate on the assumption that local content is generally the
> most important type of content to any given Internet user?
>

Nope i don't think we should assume this, while local content is important,
one may not say its most important. Thinking about this, i think this
particular assumptions will vary by individual. There are quite a number of
factors that could determine one's preference:

Local by language: A scenario is a family where the parent of a child has
been communicating with the child in English since childbirth, even if
there are content in local languages the child will most likely not be
interested in them.

Local vs foreign by access: There are times where certain content may not
just be available within the local environ OR times where its becomes
cheaper to access foreign content than accessing the local content
alternative.


> Michael K made the the point that for those who are not on the Internet
> because they are not interested by it, making available local content could
> pique their interest and bring them online.
>

This is possible especially for those who are culturally inclined and who
are more "local language" oriented.

>
> *Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people would like
> to volunteer?*
>
> Local content could be defined as content created with the aim of
communicating to/reflecting a certain segment of internet community.

>
>
> *Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic structure
> make sense? Why or why not?*
>

   1.

   The human element (digital literacy and skills, web accessibility,
   translation, etc.)

   2.

   Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and int'l),
   local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)

   3.

   Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco
   regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)



The 3 items above properly indicates the inperratives for local content
development because there is no way we can expect to have local content if
there are no local infrastructure in place, neither will there be a
sustainable infrastructure if there are no properly implemented policies to
support it. With all these in place, its usage and continuous usage is
another key element as you have highlighted above. The question though is
which of those 3 segment should happen first and if i were to answer my
question, i did say item 3 is most critical among the whole 3.
Unfortunately item 3 usually exist on paper in most part of the world
(especially in developing world) getting to implement policy is one of the
major challenge to content development.

Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind that
> we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just as if not
> more important, failures, in policy approaches to these main themes and
> subthemes.


Thanks for providing guidance ;)

Cheers!

Sincerely,
Susan


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From gurstein at gmail.com  Tue Jul  8 05:12:30 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:12:30 +0200
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10
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Thanks Stuart for the pointer to the report which both clarifies and
fuzzifies some of the issues... 

Not surprisingly UNESCO takes a very "culturalist" perspective on "content"
i.e. focusing on the "content" of the "content" :) rather than the "uses" or
broader context of the "content".. 

So for example, there is discussion in the report on "education" but
focusing on the content of the education or content for education rather
than on education as a service of which the content is an element .  In the
latter instance, the true outcome/context/use of the content is the
(educational) "service" that it is providing. 

By analogy we could be equally thinking about "health" content either (or
both) as health information "content" or health information as an aspect
of/integral component of a health "service".

Why this matters I think, is because we need in our discussion to be clear
as to the function or desired outcome/use of the local content we are
discussing. Is it simply for consumption (whether locally or externally
produced) as I believe Michael Kende is suggesting or does it have another
purpose as for example, to enable or empower the local community in
achieving its objectives with the use of ICTs (as in this case providing the
platform for "local content").

M

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Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10

Hi everyone

Thanks Michael - I'd have to agree with you that going beyond the
traditional definition of access is important. While it's not explicitly
concerned with the creation of local content, I think that the 'Beyond
Access' project, where the public library is used as a key access point for
ICTs, has some good elements that need to be considered - not least skills
and training. See here for more www.beyondaccess.net and take a look at some
of the projects. 

I think your second point is highly relevant considering our schedule which
currently has us looking at definitions. This substantial report from UNESCO
in 2011
(http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/news/local_cont
ent_study.pdf) suggests the following definition: 

"45. This idea of relevant content in the speaker's own language is called
local content. The subset of information that is relevant to an individual
is often closely related to knowledge within any of the communities where
she or he resides. UNESCO has defined "local content" as an expression and
communication of a community's locally generated, owned and adapted
knowledge and experience that is relevant to the community's situation
(UNESCO, 2001.)"

(nb. This report was presented at the 2011 IGF in Kenya I believe).

So UNESCO appear to focus on knowledge and experience. This seems to exclude
services. What do others think - should services be included?

Kind regards,

Stuart

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Hi Stuart and everyone,

 

Thanks for the initiative and the issues related to local content are of
course of significant interest to the Community Informatics (CI) community
with whom I'll be sharing aspects of the on-going discussion as appropriate.

 

>From a CI perspective I'd like to raise a couple of points (which in 
>many
respects interestingly parallel the comments from Michael Kende.

 

First, one of the issues that CI has been very concerned about since the
initial WSIS processes is that the "access" terminology and perspective
always been understood and expressed as "access and effective use".  What is
meant here is that "access" alone -whether to infrastructure, hardware,
software or even content is insufficient if the pre-conditions necessary to
allow those particularly at the grassroots and in otherwise marginalized
groups such as those with disabilities, women, the aged etc. to make
(effective) use are not in place.  That means that not only is there a
concern with ensuring simple "access" but also that there is concern with
those pre-conditions which enable "effective use" which include appropriate
training, technical assists where necessary, organizational/mentoring
supports, appropriately designed software and hardware and so on.

 

Second, it isn't clear (to me) from the materials on this discussion that
I've received so far whether this discussion is meant to include digitally
enabled services as an element of "local content". From a CI perspective the
development, provision and local control over the variety of digitally
enabled services is a very significant element of desirable local use.

 

Best and looking forward to a useful discussion.

 

Mike

 

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Behalf Of Stuart Hamilton
Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 4:27 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 1

 

Hello everyone 

 

Thanks to Constance for getting us started, and thanks already for the input
from Kossi and Wale. I'm going to be bringing a library and information
professional's viewpoint to this discussion, as best I can, and together
with Susan we will also be trying to bring in some colleagues from the
creative sector and other important stakeholders - we'd be happy to hear
from you about who else should be taking part in this discussion. 

 

>From IFLA's perspective, it has always been a part of a library's 
>mission to
increase access to what users' communities are producing or talking about -
whether it is cultural heritage, local history materials, or printed
products of all kinds by local writers. Now that public access to ICTs
through libraries has evolved, we continue have a significant role to play
in providing online access to this content, including the digitisation of
older analog materials. And of course this brings a whole new raft of
problems including infrastructure and copyright.

 

As I'm pushed for time right now, I'm just going to recognise Kossi and
Wale's thoughts as good markers for us to work from. During our preliminary
thinking on the topic Susan and I discussed policy frameworks (e.g. around
network neutrality, or copyright) and infrastructure (around online
payments/micropayments) as something we had to touch on in this discussion.
In the coming weeks we also we want to focus upon user generated content
amongst other things.

 

I know that Susan is going to send a mail later today with further
information on how we will structure the discussion but for now I'll just
say that I'm looking forward to the discussion! Oh, and also that this post
from ISOC today also touches on our topic
(http://www.internetsociety.org/blog/institutional/2014/07/digital-divide-no
t-binary ) I would agree that showcasing local, relevant content can be a
great way of increasing interest in accessing the Internet - it has been a
central part of library user ICT training over the years in many countries.

 

Cheers,

 

Stuart

 

 

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Bonsoir ? tous,
L'un des enjeux de la production des contenus et de leur mise en ligne est
l'h?bergement. Certains pays comme ceux de l'Afrique sont d?pourvus de
centre d'h?bergement interne. En cons?quence, la production locale h?berg?e
? l'?tranger n'offre pas de devise pour les entrepreneurs locaux. Comment
changer la donne sans de grands investissements majeurs? Comment les autres
ont commenc?? Un partage d'exp?riences sur des cas r?els de centre
d'h?bergements mod?le est utile.

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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the
community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways
to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the public
or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

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Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2014 10:57:08 +0100
From: Olawale Bakare <wales.baky at googlemail.com>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 1,

Issue 3
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Dear Constance,

Thank you for your email.
Local content development would seriously hinged on governmental policies on
factors, like:
1. Net-neutrality
2. Privacy
In addition, establishment and ratification of these policies should
involved multistakeholder community of individual government nation, not
government alone. I think, method(s) as well framework to get the
multistakeholder actively involved should be a starting a point.

How best can the practices play into an effective way with the method(s)?

Regards,
Wale




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Dear colleagues,

Thank you for joining the preparatory process of the IGF Best Practices
Forum on "Creating an enabling environment for the development of Local
content".

I would like to start by introducing the two Lead Experts of this process,
Stuart Hamilton (Director, Policy and Advocacy, IFLA) and Susan Chalmers
(consultant).

The Lead Experts, supported by independent consultants, will engage with the
community in a view to exchanging on existing practices and discussing ways
to further collaborate. A discussion of unintended consequences, both
positive and negative, of mistakes that were made and of lessons learned
will further enrich an understanding of what has been accomplished. The
means employed to achieve a solution are as important as a learning
experience as the actual ends achieved (see attachment).

Between now and beginning of September, the communities will work through
mailing lists and online virtual meetings.The discussion will be documented
by independent experts and feed into five 90 minute sessions in Istanbul,
that will in turn report into a Best Practices wrap up session.  A summary
booklet/handout on each Best Practice discussions/sessions is also one of
the intended outcomes to be published after the IGF 2014 meeting.

Immediate asks to all participants:

 *   Respond to the questions attached in the common template for Best
Practices Forums.
 *   Send contributions on existing Best Practices, either from the
public or the private sector, to start documenting the discussion.
 *   Invite other colleague experts to join this list:
http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/open-call-to-join-igf-best-practices-forums-p
reparatory-process

Next Steps:

 *   Lead Experts will conduct the discussions on this list.
 *   They will also work with the IGF Secretariat to set-up regular
webinars including all participants.

Best regards,

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From mike at apc.org  Tue Jul  8 09:25:43 2014
From: mike at apc.org (Mike Jensen)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 10:25:43 -0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAD_dc6jwp+uRyt87QaDC7Am+7973HnRT4BBsAyzxeucdUSNWBg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 08-07-2014 05:28, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
>  1.     The human element (digital literacy and skills, web
>         accessibility, translation, etc.)
>  2.     Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and
>         int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)
>  3.     Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco
>         regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)
> 

Good summary Sean, to which I would add innovation hubs (iHubs), which
fall somewhere between 1 and 2 - they provide access to skills and
information sharing, along with affordable _high_ speed access.
Sufficient bandwidth is critical to content development - without it the
development cycle just takes too long, as anyone who has tried to
develop or maintain a web site on a slow link will testify.
And while iHubs are often sponsored/supported by the private sector, the
correct policy environment to ensure affordable high speed access is key.

Mike



From jemal at mattel.mr  Tue Jul  8 06:56:01 2014
From: jemal at mattel.mr (jemal)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:56:01 -0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
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References: <CACRQNJ5fBDX7maRnZEqSY=STrbsYvoTStOQMbkOpdG5QYw=U-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005d01cf9a9b$351f8420$9f5e8c60$@mr>

Hi Susan,

This is my own definition of local content:

 

local content is a social & economic and cultural wealth. 

It is an open source to enable information sharing and facilitate better communication between peoples and the other on the planet. it is also encouraging the language of communication in all its forms.

 

Kindly,

 

Jemal Brahim

NGL 2012

ISOC Chapter Mauritanian

 

De : Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] De la part de Susan Chalmers
Envoy? : lundi 7 juillet 2014 17:14
? : bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Objet : [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue

 

Greetings,

 

It's been a pleasure reading through the thoughtful contributions made thus far towards defining this issue. Let us keep the conversation going before our initial call. 

 

Stuart, thanks for raising the definition question. I quite like how that report <http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/local_content_study.pdf>  puts "local content" into context in paragraph 2: 

 

The content that is most important to people is typically in their own language and is relevant to the communities in which they live and work..This relevant content is often referred to as ?local content?. 

 

Should we operate on the assumption that local content is generally the most important type of content to any given Internet user? Michael K made the the point that for those who are not on the Internet because they are not interested by it, making available local content could pique their interest and bring them online.

 

Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people would like to volunteer?

 

In our conversation, to date, I see general support for breaking down the issue into three main parts, basically: humans, ICT, and law. I also see the sub-themes of: local hosting, caching, web accessibility, price of access, availability of service, availability of power, and telco regulation's effects on ISPs. (Given the lineage of this conversation I am convinced that these are just a glimpse into the many subthemes involved....) 

 

Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic structure make sense? Why or why not?

1.	The human element (digital literacy and skills, web accessibility, translation, etc.)
2.	Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local and int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)
3.	Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)

Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind that we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just as if not more important, failures, in policy approaches to these main themes and subthemes. 

 

Sincerely,

Susan

 

 

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Consultant, Internet Policy

 

+1 269 324 4101

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From baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm  Tue Jul  8 07:59:48 2014
From: baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm (baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 11:59:48 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local content: Defining the Issue
Message-ID: <20140708115948.43957cgjkkxba348@wm01.mtnbusiness.cm>


  Hi Dear Susan and Dear All,
My little presentation is in the end of this message :-) But note that  
I'm glad to be here as a volunteer and I want to know if it's  
possible, after this mail, to give my point in french as I'll be more  
expressive...
  Before jumping to my comment below, I want you to pay attention to  
this contribution :
- Can we also use a better collaborative way/interface, such as a wiki  
page, to quickly build a common document ?
- Can we also open a jabber channel/room  or just an IRC room to  
permit that in any time members who are connected in same moment  
discuss together in our topics ?
  [Please see below to read my comments...]
Regards,
--sb.


Le 07/07/2014, ? 13:14:04 (-0400), Susan Chalmers <susan [AT  
susanchalmers DOT com]> a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Local content: Defining the Issue (Susan Chalmers)
>    2. Re: Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 10
>       (Kolubahzizi T. Howard)
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Greetings,
>
> It's been a pleasure reading through the thoughtful contributions  
> made thus far towards defining this issue. Let us keep the  
> conversation going before our initial call.
>
> Stuart, thanks for raising the definition question. I quite like how  
> that report  
> <http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/local_content_study.pdf> puts "local content" into context in paragraph  
> 2:
>
> *The content that is most important to people is typically in their  
> own language and is relevant to **the communities in which they live  
> and
> work..**This relevant **content is often referred to as ?local  
> content?. * Should we operate on the assumption that local content  
> is generally the
> most important type of content to any given Internet user? Michael K  
> made the the point that for those who are not on the Internet  
> because they are
> not interested by it, making available local content could pique  
> their interest and bring them online.
>
> *Are there any other definitions of "local content" that people  
> would like to volunteer?*

As Kolubahzizi said: " [...] communities may be defined by their  
location, culture, language, religion, ethnicity or area of interest  
and individuals may belong to many communities at the same time [...] ".
So I want to propose that we build a more interesting definition, of a  
"Local Content", which will include more than cultural considerations  
as we see in the UNESCO one. Because I think that It's other sources  
of interesting content in a local area ; such as academic content  
rising from a productive Research Area...

  Belonging to Michael's relevant arguments, Stuart has mentioned : "  
So UNESCO appear to focus on knowledge and experience. This seems to  
exclude services. " and Has ended with this interesting question : "  
What do others think - should services be included? "

  Then after Glenn detailed, I think that it's also good to discuss  
about local content by considering web tools/applications that permit  
to digitalize Cultural, Educational, Informative, Statistical,  
Scientific, Artistic, Creative... content. I mean that: host a Wiki,  
Web Site,  Mailing List, Mail Server, E-Commerce web based  
Application, E-Governement web based Services, or what you want,  
locally is the best way to produce Digital Local Content... Local  
Language is, asurely, a key detail to identify a local content ; but  
it is necessary, I think, to translate that content in other externals  
languages ; in an international sharing perspective...
  Now I want to define a "local content" as : a digital content  
(texts, pictures, audios, videos or combinaison of those)  produce in  
a local geographic area (such as a country), hosted locally and  
accessible by a local end user with no Transit step.
  In this perspective of definition, I assume that it's not possible  
to speak of local content without an IXP and a Data Center in the  
local country... Can I ask help here :-)
> In our conversation, to date, I see general support for breaking  
> down the issue into three main parts, basically: humans, ICT, and  
> law. I also see
> the sub-themes of: local hosting, caching, web accessibility, price  
> of access, availability of service, availability of power, and telco  
> regulation's effects on ISPs. (Given the lineage of this  
> conversation I am convinced that these are just a glimpse into the  
> many subthemes involved....)
>
> *Based upon our conversation thus far, does the following basic  
> structure make sense? Why or why not?*
>
>    1. The human element (digital literacy and skills, web  
> accessibility, translation, etc.)

It's really important to define as Best Practice to highlight that a  
local content MUST be build with an implementation that can render it  
accessible for end users with disadvantages/disabilities.

>    2. Technical infrastructure (technology, bandwidth cost (local  
> and int'l), local hosting cost, tromboning of traffic, ccTLDs, etc.)

I want to add these Infrastructures without which, I think, it's  
difficult to promote local content. Two or more: Internet eXchange  
Point (IXP) and Data Center...
So Local Content MUST be locally hosted, locally reachable by a local  
end user (and by bots) and world wide reachable by the rest of the end  
users...

>    3. Legal environment (copyright law, competition law, local telco  
> regulation and policy, taxation on ICT, net neutrality, etc.)

MultiStakeholder Governance Model and FLOSS (Free Libre Open Source  
Software) Model

> Perhaps as we move throughout this agenda item, let us keep in mind  
> that we'll soon be asking people to share success stories and, just  
> as if not more important, failures, in policy approaches to these  
> main themes and subthemes.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan

-- 

    Best Regards !


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From Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com  Tue Jul  8 12:53:11 2014
From: Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com (Blackler, Ellen M.)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 09:53:11 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant
	Content
Message-ID: <2DD775041FD58942B53A77D93BFD2DA31E4B9C1380@SM-CALA-VXMB05A.swna.wdpr.disney.com>

Greetings everyone -

I look forward to this discussion.  I would like to weigh in in favor of a broad definition of local content along the lines of what Susan started with.  We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that they see themselves belonging to.  Clearly language is a major part of that (and rightfully a focus of efforts to expand content).    Likewise, I think it would be fruitful to understand and encourage ways  to improve capabilities for content creation locally as both an economic development and diversity matter,  and ways to improve facilities likes IXPs, hosting and caching because of the impacts on end users and access Michel Kende has talked about.

I think the biggest pitfall we should avoid (and I think we are so far), is a focus on where the content is produced.  I have no evidence but suspect that often early in the adoption curve process a lot of content in a local language is produced outside a particular locale.  And certainly in repressive places a lot of important but locally relevant content gets produced elsewhere.   The reality is for professional content like movies where they get made is a global market based on things outside the normal Internet policymaking context like tax credits!  And of course in a diaspora situation people in a language community are not in the same physical space.

While I have your attention, I will use this opportunity to make a plug for a panel I am working on at the IGF (Panel 201) that will bring content creators from around the world to talk about barriers to and opportunities for locally relevant content creation.   We have the CEO of iROKOtv, which is often called the Nigerian Netflix, an app developer working in the LatAm market from Guatemala, an app developer from Africa working in the Kenya and SA, and one of our partner producers from Turkey.   I hope it will be a good opportunity to understand the models people are using to successfully create locally relevant content, the barriers and the environment that encourages more creation.

Look forward to continued discussion!  Best, Ellen
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Tue Jul  8 13:43:41 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 13:43:41 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] minder Doodle Poll closing tonight
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ5_jDk_WMxhqqkSeW8DEC4g03MOZ9N+LhVj9QCb=idsBw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

This is a reminder to visit the poll and share your availability. I'll
close the Doodle poll within 3 hours.

Many thanks,
Susan


On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
wrote:

> Greetings, all,
>
> Please find below a link to a Doodle poll so that we can schedule our
> first call at the end of this week, as indicated in the schedule circulated
> last week.
>
> We'd be grateful if you could please respond within the next day.
>
> http://doodle.com/aad8si2hy3beh64c
>
> Many thanks,
> Susan
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>



-- 
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
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From mike at apc.org  Tue Jul  8 17:56:17 2014
From: mike at apc.org (Mike Jensen)
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 18:56:17 -0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
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On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
>  We have actually been using the term locally-relevant
> content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user
> decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that
> they see themselves belonging to. 

I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the
latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.

"Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think it
causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for this
discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally generated_
content). By implication, of course the user wants 'locally relevant
content' anything else will be ignored. And that's the beauty of the
internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get what you want.

And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user
generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.


Mike



From michele at blacknight.com  Tue Jul  8 14:06:58 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:06:58 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant	Content
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While content creation / generation and content provision / serving are both important, surely they're two very different audiences?

A lot of content creators aren't particularly technical ..

IXPs, hosting etc., are all very technical and involve a totally different set of criteria and actors.

I also don't really understand why "locally relevant" is so important, or why the "relevance" factor should outweigh any other considerations. If I look at some of the startups in Eastern and Central Europe, for example, they're working on projects in English with a view to pitching them to the US and other markets. If they limited themselves to their local markets (your "relevance" I think) then they wouldn't be able to survive.

Just my take on it ..

Regards

Michele

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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Blackler, Ellen M.
Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:53 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

Greetings everyone -

I look forward to this discussion.  I would like to weigh in in favor of a broad definition of local content along the lines of what Susan started with.  We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that they see themselves belonging to.  Clearly language is a major part of that (and rightfully a focus of efforts to expand content).    Likewise, I think it would be fruitful to understand and encourage ways  to improve capabilities for content creation locally as both an economic development and diversity matter,  and ways to improve facilities likes IXPs, hosting and caching because of the impacts on end users and access Michel Kende has talked about.

I think the biggest pitfall we should avoid (and I think we are so far), is a focus on where the content is produced.  I have no evidence but suspect that often early in the adoption curve process a lot of content in a local language is produced outside a particular locale.  And certainly in repressive places a lot of important but locally relevant content gets produced elsewhere.   The reality is for professional content like movies where they get made is a global market based on things outside the normal Internet policymaking context like tax credits!  And of course in a diaspora situation people in a language community are not in the same physical space.

While I have your attention, I will use this opportunity to make a plug for a panel I am working on at the IGF (Panel 201) that will bring content creators from around the world to talk about barriers to and opportunities for locally relevant content creation.   We have the CEO of iROKOtv, which is often called the Nigerian Netflix, an app developer working in the LatAm market from Guatemala, an app developer from Africa working in the Kenya and SA, and one of our partner producers from Turkey.   I hope it will be a good opportunity to understand the models people are using to successfully create locally relevant content, the barriers and the environment that encourages more creation.

Look forward to continued discussion!  Best, Ellen
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From Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com  Tue Jul  8 14:26:08 2014
From: Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com (Blackler, Ellen M.)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 11:26:08 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant	Content
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I agree that we want to encourage new producers like the Eastern and Central Europe startups you mention - my concern is that local content is often heard as content produced locally for  a local audience ( ie, content in Hungarian produced in Hungary).  I think we want to encourage that and we want to encourage all the other scenarios that people have mentioned.  I am certainly not wed to locally produced content, or any term, I just want to make sure we are not excluding important content creation scenarios.

I actually hear two main concerns when I hear people talk about more local content.  One, I think of as an economic development angle - they want content creation related industries like the start ups you reference.   Second, they want more stuff designed in languages other than English, more content designed specifically for and about  their local communities, etc.

Both seem valid things to work on and encourage - whatever we call it.

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Blackler, Ellen M.; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

While content creation / generation and content provision / serving are both important, surely they're two very different audiences?

A lot of content creators aren't particularly technical ..

IXPs, hosting etc., are all very technical and involve a totally different set of criteria and actors.

I also don't really understand why "locally relevant" is so important, or why the "relevance" factor should outweigh any other considerations. If I look at some of the startups in Eastern and Central Europe, for example, they're working on projects in English with a view to pitching them to the US and other markets. If they limited themselves to their local markets (your "relevance" I think) then they wouldn't be able to survive.

Just my take on it ..

Regards

Michele

--
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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting & Colocation, Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Blackler, Ellen M.
Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:53 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

Greetings everyone -

I look forward to this discussion.  I would like to weigh in in favor of a broad definition of local content along the lines of what Susan started with.  We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that they see themselves belonging to.  Clearly language is a major part of that (and rightfully a focus of efforts to expand content).    Likewise, I think it would be fruitful to understand and encourage ways  to improve capabilities for content creation locally as both an economic development and diversity matter,  and ways to improve facilities likes IXPs, hosting and caching because of the impacts on end users and access Michel Kende has talked about.

I think the biggest pitfall we should avoid (and I think we are so far), is a focus on where the content is produced.  I have no evidence but suspect that often early in the adoption curve process a lot of content in a local language is produced outside a particular locale.  And certainly in repressive places a lot of important but locally relevant content gets produced elsewhere.   The reality is for professional content like movies where they get made is a global market based on things outside the normal Internet policymaking context like tax credits!  And of course in a diaspora situation people in a language community are not in the same physical space.

While I have your attention, I will use this opportunity to make a plug for a panel I am working on at the IGF (Panel 201) that will bring content creators from around the world to talk about barriers to and opportunities for locally relevant content creation.   We have the CEO of iROKOtv, which is often called the Nigerian Netflix, an app developer working in the LatAm market from Guatemala, an app developer from Africa working in the Kenya and SA, and one of our partner producers from Turkey.   I hope it will be a good opportunity to understand the models people are using to successfully create locally relevant content, the barriers and the environment that encourages more creation.

Look forward to continued discussion!  Best, Ellen
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From michele at blacknight.com  Tue Jul  8 14:45:03 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:45:03 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant	Content
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Ok so .. we probably agree ..

I probably posted this already .. though I'm on so many mailing lists these days I'm not sure which one I've posted what to ..

When we started out over 10 years ago the bulk of Irish websites were not hosted in Ireland.
The costs of hosting anything in Ireland back then were stupidly expensive
Also, and I think it's linked, the cost of getting any kind of "broadband" was quite high.

Fast forward to 2014 ..
The bulk of Irish websites are hosted in Ireland.
Broadband speeds have increased across the board and according to Akamai's latest report we somehow have made it into the top 10 globally:
http://technology.ie/ireland-top-ten-internet-broadband-ine/
Though we still have a lot of the country unable to get anything decent ..

Back in 2003 bandwidth and colocation costs in Ireland were significantly higher and prior to that they were really in the realm of the big telcos only
(https://www.inex.ie/about/history )

When I look at some of the developing markets across the globe I see a lot of parallels with Ireland of about 10 years ago (give or take)
The difference today, however, is that mobile devices and mobile technology has evolved a LOT. (Remember when WAP was "cool"?)
It's far easier now to start creating content than it was a few years ago.

"Local" has a lot of different meanings ..

I'm not sure what the exact outcome of any of this is, but there's a lot of interlocking things that impact everything else ..

If it's "hard" to get a stable internet connection, either because of technical issues, or cost or any number of other factors, then the likelihood of people spending a lot of time online is going to diminish ..
When it becomes easier, cheaper etc. to get online and consume content then it also becomes easier to produce content ..

Just my opinion of course ..

Regards

Michele


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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting & Colocation, Domains
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http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Blackler, Ellen M.
Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 7:26 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

I agree that we want to encourage new producers like the Eastern and Central Europe startups you mention - my concern is that local content is often heard as content produced locally for  a local audience ( ie, content in Hungarian produced in Hungary).  I think we want to encourage that and we want to encourage all the other scenarios that people have mentioned.  I am certainly not wed to locally produced content, or any term, I just want to make sure we are not excluding important content creation scenarios.

I actually hear two main concerns when I hear people talk about more local content.  One, I think of as an economic development angle - they want content creation related industries like the start ups you reference.   Second, they want more stuff designed in languages other than English, more content designed specifically for and about  their local communities, etc.

Both seem valid things to work on and encourage - whatever we call it.

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight [mailto:michele at blacknight.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Blackler, Ellen M.; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

While content creation / generation and content provision / serving are both important, surely they're two very different audiences?

A lot of content creators aren't particularly technical ..

IXPs, hosting etc., are all very technical and involve a totally different set of criteria and actors.

I also don't really understand why "locally relevant" is so important, or why the "relevance" factor should outweigh any other considerations. If I look at some of the startups in Eastern and Central Europe, for example, they're working on projects in English with a view to pitching them to the US and other markets. If they limited themselves to their local markets (your "relevance" I think) then they wouldn't be able to survive.

Just my take on it ..

Regards

Michele

--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting & Colocation, Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Blackler, Ellen M.
Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:53 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally Relevant Content

Greetings everyone -

I look forward to this discussion.  I would like to weigh in in favor of a broad definition of local content along the lines of what Susan started with.  We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that they see themselves belonging to.  Clearly language is a major part of that (and rightfully a focus of efforts to expand content).    Likewise, I think it would be fruitful to understand and encourage ways  to improve capabilities for content creation locally as both an economic development and diversity matter,  and ways to improve facilities likes IXPs, hosting and caching because of the impacts on end users and access Michel Kende has talked about.

I think the biggest pitfall we should avoid (and I think we are so far), is a focus on where the content is produced.  I have no evidence but suspect that often early in the adoption curve process a lot of content in a local language is produced outside a particular locale.  And certainly in repressive places a lot of important but locally relevant content gets produced elsewhere.   The reality is for professional content like movies where they get made is a global market based on things outside the normal Internet policymaking context like tax credits!  And of course in a diaspora situation people in a language community are not in the same physical space.

While I have your attention, I will use this opportunity to make a plug for a panel I am working on at the IGF (Panel 201) that will bring content creators from around the world to talk about barriers to and opportunities for locally relevant content creation.   We have the CEO of iROKOtv, which is often called the Nigerian Netflix, an app developer working in the LatAm market from Guatemala, an app developer from Africa working in the Kenya and SA, and one of our partner producers from Turkey.   I hope it will be a good opportunity to understand the models people are using to successfully create locally relevant content, the barriers and the environment that encourages more creation.

Look forward to continued discussion!  Best, Ellen
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From chris at chriszielinski.com  Wed Jul  9 05:36:49 2014
From: chris at chriszielinski.com (Chris Zielinski)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:36:49 +0200 (CAT)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
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Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to narrow the
discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is produced, local content
should be supported and cherished, but historically, content is almost always
adapted. This is just as true of music and film, as it is of development
initiatives and health practices.

In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus,
strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content arriving
from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.

This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal content
(content that is developed internationally and applied locally, ideally adapted
for local use) is at least as important as local content.

To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of simple,
effective health practices that could decimate child mortality (a famous series
of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these practices need to be adapted
for use locally in each country. There is no need to develop original indigenous
responses - it would in fact be wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective,
and ultimately fatal for many children, to try and come up with completely
original local solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and
tested solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and practices)
and then to apply them.

Best,

Chris
chris at chriszielinski.com

Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India, the Middle
East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright agency (ALCS), and was on
the boards of various film directors', educational recording, Internet
governance and ethics groupings.

On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
> > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant
> > content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user
> > decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that
> > they see themselves belonging to.
>
> I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
> and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the
> latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.
>
> "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think it
> causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for this
> discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally generated_
> content). By implication, of course the user wants 'locally relevant
> content' anything else will be ignored. And that's the beauty of the
> internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get what you want.
>
> And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user
> generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.
>
>
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
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From mike at apc.org  Wed Jul  9 10:06:59 2014
From: mike at apc.org (Mike Jensen)
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 11:06:59 -0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
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Chris, I agree entirely that there is no need to reinvent the wheel
where international content can be adapted for local use. In fact this
is such a no-brainer, i am not sure there is a need for a strategy
discussion on it. Are there any existing constraints to doing this that
we need to specifically address that would not be addressed by focussing
on supporting the local generation of content? For me, localisation
would just be an inherent part of any local content generation strategy.

Mike


On 09-07-2014 06:36, Chris Zielinski wrote:
> Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to
> narrow the discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is
> produced, local content should be supported and cherished, but
> historically, content is almost always adapted. This is just as true of
> music and film, as it is of development initiatives and health practices.
>  
> In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus,
> strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content
> arriving from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.
>  
> This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal
> content (content that is developed internationally and applied locally,
> ideally adapted for local use) is at least as important as local content.
>  
> To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of
> simple, effective health practices that could decimate child mortality
> (a famous series of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these
> practices need to be adapted for use locally in each country. There is
> no need to develop original indigenous responses - it would in fact be
> wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective, and ultimately fatal for
> many children, to try and come up with completely original local
> solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and tested
> solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and
> practices) and then to apply them.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Chris
> chris at chriszielinski.com
>  
> Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India,
> the Middle East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright agency
> (ALCS), and was on the boards of various film directors', educational
> recording, Internet governance and ethics groupings.
> 
> On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
>> > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant
>> > content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user
>> > decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual)
> that
>> > they see themselves belonging to.
>>
>> I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
>> and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the
>> latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.
>>
>> "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think it
>> causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for this
>> discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally generated_
>> content). By implication, of course the user wants 'locally relevant
>> content' anything else will be ignored. And that's the beauty of the
>> internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get what you want.
>>
>> And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user
>> generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> 
> Chris Zielinski
> chris at chriszielinski.com



From gurstein at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 06:19:21 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:19:21 +0200
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
	Relevant Content
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Hmmm... 

I think we may be rather missing the point here... I'm suspecting that our
friends from Disney Corp are quite happy to talk about Locally Relevant
Content as long as they are getting the revenues but they may have other
interests and legal sanctions in mind when it comes to "localization" of
content and possible breaches of copyright which might ensue.

Or to flip that around, what types of measures will need to be put in place
to allow for the "localization" of a whole range of content which folks at
the local level would consider "relevant" and "useful" if localized, but
where local folks are prevented from acting to ensure local relevancy by
various types of copyright enforcement activities--technical/legal DRM's for
example... and where licensing costs are prohibitive and beyond the capacity
of local resources.

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Chris Zielinski; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Mike Jensen
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
Relevant Content

Chris, I agree entirely that there is no need to reinvent the wheel where
international content can be adapted for local use. In fact this is such a
no-brainer, i am not sure there is a need for a strategy discussion on it.
Are there any existing constraints to doing this that we need to
specifically address that would not be addressed by focussing on supporting
the local generation of content? For me, localisation would just be an
inherent part of any local content generation strategy.

Mike


On 09-07-2014 06:36, Chris Zielinski wrote:
> Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to 
> narrow the discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is 
> produced, local content should be supported and cherished, but 
> historically, content is almost always adapted. This is just as true 
> of music and film, as it is of development initiatives and health
practices.
>  
> In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus, 
> strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content 
> arriving from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.
>  
> This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal 
> content (content that is developed internationally and applied 
> locally, ideally adapted for local use) is at least as important as local
content.
>  
> To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of 
> simple, effective health practices that could decimate child mortality 
> (a famous series of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these 
> practices need to be adapted for use locally in each country. There is 
> no need to develop original indigenous responses - it would in fact be 
> wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective, and ultimately fatal for 
> many children, to try and come up with completely original local 
> solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and tested 
> solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and
> practices) and then to apply them.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Chris
> chris at chriszielinski.com
>  
> Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India, 
> the Middle East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright 
> agency (ALCS), and was on the boards of various film directors', 
> educational recording, Internet governance and ethics groupings.
> 
> On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
>> > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an 
>> > attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is 
>> > relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual)
> that
>> > they see themselves belonging to.
>>
>> I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
>> and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the 
>> latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.
>>
>> "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think 
>> it causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for 
>> this discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally 
>> generated_ content). By implication, of course the user wants 
>> 'locally relevant content' anything else will be ignored. And that's 
>> the beauty of the internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get
what you want.
>>
>> And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user 
>> generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfor
> um.org
> 
> Chris Zielinski
> chris at chriszielinski.com

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From komaitis at isoc.org  Wed Jul  9 08:05:31 2014
From: komaitis at isoc.org (Konstantinos Komaitis)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 12:05:31 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
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Hi all,

I think we need to think of content in the broadest sense we can ? at least for the time being. And, before we attempt to provide a definition (mindful that there is not an accepted definition out there), it would be good to ask the question: why is local content so important and relevant, i.e. what is the end-goal? We are talking a lot and hearing much more how local content is a tool for social, economic and political empowerment. If this is the case (end-goal) ? and I believe it is ? we then need to consider local content as content that is created and produced locally, that is locally-relevant, that has a locally-specific audience and all other categories that have been identified in this thread.

I would like to point this group to a report from the OECD, ISOC and UNESCO on ?The Relationship between local content, Internet development and access prices) which I believe can provide us some good guidance: http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/The%20Relationship%20Between%20Local%20Content%2C%20Internet%20Development%2C%20and%20Access%20Prices.pdf 

In terms of definition, the research showed: 

"Currently, there is no uniform definition of local content. For the purpose of this analysis this study relies on a UNESCO definition that states that local content must be relevant and comprehensible to local users (UNESCO, 2001). In harmony with this description, this paper considers all digital content created for an end user who speaks the same language as the author to be local content. This includes content created for people who do not live in close proximity to the creator, but thanks to the Internet, are part of a world-wide ?local? community of same-language speakers. The language criterion is primarily intended to exclude translated content. No stipulations about the author of local content are made (i.e. individuals, governments and businesses all qualify).?

Best

Konstantinos


Dr. Konstantinos Komaitis
Policy Advisor,
Internet Society
komaitis at isoc.org
tel: +41 22 807 1453


On 09 Jul 2014, at 11:36, Chris Zielinski <chris at chriszielinski.com> wrote:

> Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to narrow the discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is produced, local content should be supported and cherished, but historically, content is almost always adapted. This is just as true of music and film, as it is of development initiatives and health practices.
>  
> In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus, strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content arriving from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.
>  
> This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal content (content that is developed internationally and applied locally, ideally adapted for local use) is at least as important as local content.
>  
> To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of simple, effective health practices that could decimate child mortality (a famous series of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these practices need to be adapted for use locally in each country. There is no need to develop original indigenous responses - it would in fact be wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective, and ultimately fatal for many children, to try and come up with completely original local solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and tested solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and practices) and then to apply them.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Chris
> chris at chriszielinski.com
>  
> Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India, the Middle East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright agency (ALCS), and was on the boards of various film directors', educational recording, Internet governance and ethics groupings.
> 
> On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote: 
> > > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant 
> > > content in an attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user 
> > > decides is relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual) that 
> > > they see themselves belonging to. 
> > 
> > I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content' 
> > and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the 
> > latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry. 
> > 
> > "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think it 
> > causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for this 
> > discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally generated_ 
> > content). By implication, of course the user wants 'locally relevant 
> > content' anything else will be ignored. And that's the beauty of the 
> > internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get what you want. 
> > 
> > And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user 
> > generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc. 
> > 
> > 
> > Mike 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ 
> > Bp_localcontent mailing list 
> > Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org 
> > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> Chris Zielinski 
> chris at chriszielinski.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org




From chris at chriszielinski.com  Wed Jul  9 12:33:54 2014
From: chris at chriszielinski.com (Chris Zielinski)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 18:33:54 +0200 (CAT)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
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Very important points, Mike. Regarding local adaptations of foreign content,
there was a landmark amendment to the Berne Convention (in the Paris Revisions
of 1971) which granted countries the right to translate and publish essential
information without copyright barriers.

For those who want to look it up, this is in the Appendix [Special Provisions
Regarding Developing Countries -
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=283698 right at the end], where
a special exception is granted to developing countries to translate and
reproduce material for ?teaching, scholarship or research? by compulsory license
under specified conditions. This appendix was adopted after considerable debate
and lobbying from the publishing industry.

As this appendix remains to be updated for inclusion in the new versions of
copyright law being developed for the digital age, it represents an opportunity
to include the concept of adapting essential development information into
international legislation. This could be a useful recommendation arising from
this discussion.

Best,

Chris




On July 9, 2014 at 12:19 PM michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> I think we may be rather missing the point here... I'm suspecting that our
> friends from Disney Corp are quite happy to talk about Locally Relevant
> Content as long as they are getting the revenues but they may have other
> interests and legal sanctions in mind when it comes to "localization" of
> content and possible breaches of copyright which might ensue.
>
> Or to flip that around, what types of measures will need to be put in place
> to allow for the "localization" of a whole range of content which folks at
> the local level would consider "relevant" and "useful" if localized, but
> where local folks are prevented from acting to ensure local relevancy by
> various types of copyright enforcement activities--technical/legal DRM's for
> example... and where licensing costs are prohibitive and beyond the capacity
> of local resources.
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Jensen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:07 PM
> To: Chris Zielinski; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Mike Jensen
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
> Relevant Content
>
> Chris, I agree entirely that there is no need to reinvent the wheel where
> international content can be adapted for local use. In fact this is such a
> no-brainer, i am not sure there is a need for a strategy discussion on it.
> Are there any existing constraints to doing this that we need to
> specifically address that would not be addressed by focussing on supporting
> the local generation of content? For me, localisation would just be an
> inherent part of any local content generation strategy.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 09-07-2014 06:36, Chris Zielinski wrote:
> > Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to
> > narrow the discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is
> > produced, local content should be supported and cherished, but
> > historically, content is almost always adapted. This is just as true
> > of music and film, as it is of development initiatives and health
> practices.
> >
> > In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus,
> > strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content
> > arriving from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.
> >
> > This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal
> > content (content that is developed internationally and applied
> > locally, ideally adapted for local use) is at least as important as local
> content.
> >
> > To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of
> > simple, effective health practices that could decimate child mortality
> > (a famous series of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these
> > practices need to be adapted for use locally in each country. There is
> > no need to develop original indigenous responses - it would in fact be
> > wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective, and ultimately fatal for
> > many children, to try and come up with completely original local
> > solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and tested
> > solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and
> > practices) and then to apply them.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Chris
> > chris at chriszielinski.com
> >
> > Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India,
> > the Middle East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright
> > agency (ALCS), and was on the boards of various film directors',
> > educational recording, Internet governance and ethics groupings.
> >
> > On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
> >> > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an
> >> > attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is
> >> > relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual)
> > that
> >> > they see themselves belonging to.
> >>
> >> I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
> >> and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the
> >> latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.
> >>
> >> "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think
> >> it causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for
> >> this discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally
> >> generated_ content). By implication, of course the user wants
> >> 'locally relevant content' anything else will be ignored. And that's
> >> the beauty of the internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get
> what you want.
> >>
> >> And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user
> >> generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >>
> > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfor
> > um.org
> >
> > Chris Zielinski
> > chris at chriszielinski.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
Chris Zielinski
chris at chriszielinski.com
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Wed Jul  9 16:03:15 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:03:15 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 tomorrow @ 17h UTC
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Greetings, everyone.

Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or
participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.

Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further information
on the call.

Sincerely,
Susan

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From dg_cameron at bigpond.com  Wed Jul  9 19:32:53 2014
From: dg_cameron at bigpond.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:32:53 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
Message-ID: <19000283.617.1404948773027.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba03-app>

Hi,

Thanks for the opportunity to participate here. For a brief intro my background in community ICT's dates back to the 70's and includes working with numerous communities on ISP, POP and Telecentre projects. I am a former CTC Manager and senior disaster manager experienced in designing and deploying ICT based broad-area emergency systems, a domain expert and former Director of the Sahana Humanitarian FOSS project and former Regional Commander with our State Rural Fire Services.

Most of my adult life has been spent with my family building ICT's and working in disaster scenarios while enjoying a rural lifestyle and engaging with indigenous, remote and sometimes impoverished community. 

On locally produced content - One mistake I often see arise from coordinated protective efforts is to limit the definition of 'content' to what might be viewed as old world content in our online age. Published books and documents, movies, professional recordings etc. are only one form of content and arguably not the bulk of what people today are creating and consuming online - especially in a local context.

In my experience and amongst a myriad of possibilities, local content includes business advertisements, local Government reports and meeting minutes, electoral posts and feedback, Facebook posts, blogs, chats, local emergency alerts and warnings, the output from local land survey efforts, local online market sales forum posts (buy, swap and sell forums), amateur photographic posts and histories, works of art, histories and stories, tweets and MMS posts  etc. etc. - And just a few of the problems faced by local content producers includes: Lack of equal positioning on search engine returns, lack of equitable bandwidth for provision and consumption, forced consumption of and dominance by global content producers, lack of cultural understanding resulting in online condemnation (flame wars) of culturally sensitive local content, lack of training and support for the development of local content. The list goes on.

If I may ask; is the intent of this to group to try and identify all the issues surrounding local content or focus on overiding support strategies?

PS - I observed that one post referenced 'local' as being anything constrained by a common language (in this case English). I trust this is not an accepted definition? I do not think of myself as 'local' to other contributors here.

Don

------------------------------------------
From: Chris Zielinski <chris at chriszielinski.com>
To: gurstein at gmail.com; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; mike at apc.org; ciresearchers at vancouvercommunity.net;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
Relevant Content
Very important points, Mike. Regarding local adaptations of foreign content,
there was a landmark amendment to the Berne Convention (in the Paris Revisions
of 1971) which granted countries the right to translate and publish essential
information without copyright barriers.
For those who want to look it up, this is in the Appendix [Special Provisions
Regarding Developing Countries -
http://www.wipo.int/treaties/en/text.jsp?file_id=283698 right at the end], where
a special exception is granted to developing countries to translate and
reproduce material for ?teaching, scholarship or research? by compulsory license
under specified conditions. This appendix was adopted after considerable debate
and lobbying from the publishing industry.
As this appendix remains to be updated for inclusion in the new versions of
copyright law being developed for the digital age, it represents an opportunity
to include the concept of adapting essential development information into
international legislation. This could be a useful recommendation arising from
this discussion.
Best,
Chris
On July 9, 2014 at 12:19 PM michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hmmm...
>
> I think we may be rather missing the point here... I'm suspecting that our
> friends from Disney Corp are quite happy to talk about Locally Relevant
> Content as long as they are getting the revenues but they may have other
> interests and legal sanctions in mind when it comes to "localization" of
> content and possible breaches of copyright which might ensue.
>
> Or to flip that around, what types of measures will need to be put in place
> to allow for the "localization" of a whole range of content which folks at
> the local level would consider "relevant" and "useful" if localized, but
> where local folks are prevented from acting to ensure local relevancy by
> various types of copyright enforcement activities--technical/legal DRM's for
> example... and where licensing costs are prohibitive and beyond the capacity
> of local resources.
>
> M
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Jensen
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:07 PM
> To: Chris Zielinski; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Mike Jensen
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
> Relevant Content
>
> Chris, I agree entirely that there is no need to reinvent the wheel where
> international content can be adapted for local use. In fact this is such a
> no-brainer, i am not sure there is a need for a strategy discussion on it.
> Are there any existing constraints to doing this that we need to
> specifically address that would not be addressed by focussing on supporting
> the local generation of content? For me, localisation would just be an
> inherent part of any local content generation strategy.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 09-07-2014 06:36, Chris Zielinski wrote:
> > Thanks for this clarifier, Mike. But I feel it would be a mistake to
> > narrow the discussion only to locally-produced content. Where it is
> > produced, local content should be supported and cherished, but
> > historically, content is almost always adapted. This is just as true
> > of music and film, as it is of development initiatives and health
> practices.
> >
> > In addition to supporting indigenous local content generation, thus,
> > strengthening local capabilities to adapt and make appropriate content
> > arriving from elsewhere is surely the dominant need.
> >
> > This is a form of glocalization (an ugly word, to be sure): glocal
> > content (content that is developed internationally and applied
> > locally, ideally adapted for local use) is at least as important as local
> content.
> >
> > To give an example from the health field, there is a lengthy list of
> > simple, effective health practices that could decimate child mortality
> > (a famous series of Lancet articles enumerated them). However, these
> > practices need to be adapted for use locally in each country. There is
> > no need to develop original indigenous responses - it would in fact be
> > wasteful of energy, unlikely to be effective, and ultimately fatal for
> > many children, to try and come up with completely original local
> > solutions. What is urgently needed is to adapt the tried and tested
> > solutions (using locally available medicines, technologies and
> > practices) and then to apply them.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Chris
> > chris at chriszielinski.com
> >
> > Chris spent over 20 years in WHO and other UN organizations in India,
> > the Middle East and Africa. He also headed an authors' copyright
> > agency (ALCS), and was on the boards of various film directors',
> > educational recording, Internet governance and ethics groupings.
> >
> > On July 8, 2014 at 11:56 PM Mike Jensen <mike at apc.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08-07-2014 13:53, Blackler, Ellen M. wrote:
> >> > We have actually been using the term locally-relevant content in an
> >> > attempt to capture the idea that it is whatever the user decides is
> >> > relevant to the communities (either physical or virtual)
> > that
> >> > they see themselves belonging to.
> >>
> >> I think there is a big difference between 'locally relevant content'
> >> and 'local content'. I thought this discussion was focussing on the
> >> latter - i.e on how to develop the local content industry.
> >>
> >> "Locally relevant content" is not a term I've seen used much. I think
> >> it causes confusion and for me it doesn't provide a good lens for
> >> this discussion (assuming we are here to talk about _locally
> >> generated_ content). By implication, of course the user wants
> >> 'locally relevant content' anything else will be ignored. And that's
> >> the beauty of the internet vs the broadcast model - you only need get
> what you want.
> >>
> >> And today, a major portion of the content that people consume is user
> >> generated content - blogs, facebook, youtube, flickr, twitter etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >>
> > http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfor
> > um.org
> >
> > Chris Zielinski
> > chris at chriszielinski.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
Chris Zielinski
chris at chriszielinski.com_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org



From gurstein at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 04:59:41 2014
From: gurstein at gmail.com (michael gurstein)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 10:59:41 +0200
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
	Relevant Content
Message-ID: <046c01cf9c1d$49c36300$dd4a2900$@gmail.com>

In discussing the issues being raised in this forum a colleague from Kenya usefully forwarded the below. 

 

By doing this he also reminded of the quite considerable significance of national (i.e. ?local?) content in the Canadian context <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content> .  This issue has been highly controversial over the years with certain of Canada?s major trading partners (viz. the US) arguing that CanCon rules were a restriction of trade (culture being a tradable commodity like any other) and Canada arguing that (Canadian) ?content? is an integral element of Canadian culture and thus is not tradable or subject to normal trading rules.

 

M 

 

Thanks Michael,

some light on what legally constitutes local content in Kenya.

*Local content definition and programming requirement as published under, Kenya Information and Communications Act(Cap 411A)- The Kenya Information and Communications (Broadcasting) Regulations, 2009 as follows: -

?local content? means the total of all television or radio programmes which fulfil any five of the following conditions:

(a) the production is made in either Kenya?s native languages or official languages of Kenya;

(b) production was done in Kenya;

(c) the content deals with issues that are unique and relevant to Kenyan audiences;

(d) at least twenty per centum of the share of the production company are owned by Kenyans;

(e) a majority of the artistes are Kenyans;

(f) the location of shooting, in case of audiovisual programmes or performance was in Kenya;

(g) the author thereof must be a Kenyan national and in case of co-authorship or multi-authorship fifty per centum or more of the authors must be Kenyan;

(h) the production is made under Kenyan creative and technical control;

but does not include news and commentaries;

http://www.kenyalaw.org/LegalNotices/pop_ln.php?file=357

 

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From michele at blacknight.com  Thu Jul 10 05:07:42 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:07:42 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Zuckerberg on "Connecting Everyone"
Message-ID: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39988473E@bkexchmbx02.blacknight.local>

http://online.wsj.com/articles/mark-zuckerberg-on-a-future-where-the-internet-is-available-to-all-1404762276?KEYWORDS=zuckerberg

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From cristiana at nic.br  Thu Jul 10 07:51:44 2014
From: cristiana at nic.br (Cristiana)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 08:51:44 -0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
 Relevant Content
In-Reply-To: <046c01cf9c1d$49c36300$dd4a2900$@gmail.com>
References: <046c01cf9c1d$49c36300$dd4a2900$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53BE7E50.7030000@nic.br>

Hi all,

Jumping in the discussion. For a brief intro, I'm technical adviser at 
CGI.br (Brazilian Internet Steering Committee), special adviser at the 
Brazilian Federation of Libraries and Associations (FEBAB) for copyright 
and Internet related issues, and PhD candidate at University of S?o 
Paulo. Have been following the discussions here, and would like to point 
out some issues related to local content. Sorry if it is confusing, but 
I'm open to clarify it.

Local content: i) is a locally created/generated content, that should be 
able to be globally distributed. It means that it's not restricted to 
local audiences (even the world wide language community), although it is 
supposed to be the main target. I think that it should be taken in 
consideration the capacity to send/receive locally produced content 
outside domestic/cultural borders. Libraries for example, have an 
important role in distributing local/global content. Also, local 
language should be a priority but, again, not limited to it; ii) I like 
the idea that local content, as Konstantinos said, is a tool for social, 
cultural, economic and political empowerment; iii) even when we make 
reference to local content, we must take into account the fact that many 
countries have local creative industries conglomerates/monopolies, like 
Rede Globo (our biggest broadcaster, that is producing a lot of Internet 
content, and also acting as an ISP) in Brazil. This could kill any local 
initiative and also poses the problem of defining what "relevant" means. 
If we look at those monopolies audience/ use, one could say that they 
are pretty much relevant. I disagree with that interpretation, it is 
only national cultural industry with an economic restricted view of 
which kind of content should be published on Internet; iv) services 
should be taken into consideration. Development of local tools, Internet 
applications, would impact in costs and distribution of local content 
production; v) copyright has been proven a barrier for local 
production/access of content. So local content should privilege open 
access.

Not sure if I will be able to participate on the call today, but will 
keep following the list.
best
Cristiana Gonzalez

On 7/10/14 5:59 AM, michael gurstein wrote:
>
> In discussing the issues being raised in this forum a colleague from 
> Kenya usefully forwarded the below.
>
> By doing this he also reminded of the quite considerable significance 
> of national (i.e. "local") content in the Canadian context 
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content>.  This issue has been 
> highly controversial over the years with certain of Canada's major 
> trading partners (viz. the US) arguing that CanCon rules were a 
> restriction of trade (culture being a tradable commodity like any 
> other) and Canada arguing that (Canadian) "content" is an integral 
> element of Canadian culture and thus is not tradable or subject to 
> normal trading rules.
>
> M
>
> /Thanks Michael,/
>
> /some light on what legally constitutes local content in Kenya./
>
> /*Local content definition and programming requirement as published 
> under, Kenya Information and Communications Act(Cap 411A)- The Kenya 
> Information and Communications (Broadcasting) Regulations, 2009 as 
> follows: -/
>
> /"local content" means the total of all television or radio programmes 
> which fulfil any five of the following conditions:
>
> (a) the production is made in either Kenya's native languages or 
> official languages of Kenya;
>
> (b) production was done in Kenya;
>
> (c) the content deals with issues that are unique and relevant to 
> Kenyan audiences;
>
> (d) at least twenty per centum of the share of the production company 
> are owned by Kenyans;
>
> (e) a majority of the artistes are Kenyans;
>
> (f) the location of shooting, in case of audiovisual programmes or 
> performance was in Kenya;
>
> (g) the author thereof must be a Kenyan national and in case of 
> co-authorship or multi-authorship fifty per centum or more of the 
> authors must be Kenyan;
>
> (h) the production is made under Kenyan creative and technical control;
>
> but does not include news and commentaries;
>
> http://www.kenyalaw.org/LegalNotices/pop_ln.php?file=357/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org


-- 
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cristiana at nic.br
Assessora T?cnica
Diretoria de Assessoria ao CGI.br
N?cleo de Informa??o e Coordena??o do Ponto BR - NIC.br
fone: +55 (11) 5509-3541
fax: +55 (11) 5509-3512

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From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Thu Jul 10 07:52:44 2014
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 11:52:44 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
Message-ID: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>

Hello everyone

For those able to join us for the first group call, please find the details at the end of this email. To help orient us ahead of this call, let me recall the schedule Susan has laid out:

1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*

Call on 10 or 11 July

2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*

Call on 24 or 25 July

4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*

Call on 14 or 15 August

7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*


In terms of an agenda for the call, I would suggest that we should try something like:

A. Recap of what we have discussed so far (namely our conversation about a definition of local content) and areas of agreement/disagreement that the consultants synthesising the discussion should particularly note.
B. Moving on to issues 2 and 3 in the schedule above - how to continue the discussion?
C. Next steps

If this doesn't work, I'd be happy to try something different. We think we are a small number on the call so we should be able to be flexible.

Cheers,

Stuart

..................................................................................................................................................................................

Topic: IGF BPF local content 
Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014 
Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) 
Meeting Number: 956 305 903 
Meeting Password: IGF2014 

------------------------------------------------------- 
To register for this meeting 
------------------------------------------------------- 
1. Go to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&RT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 
2. Register for the meeting. 

Once the host approves your request, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for joining the meeting. 

Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need to register again. 

To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: 
https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&ORT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 

------------------------------------------------------- 
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2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 
You can contact me at: 
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:03:15 -0400
From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
	<bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 tomorrow @ 17h UTC
Message-ID:
	<CACRQNJ5mo06-_3oURKS9hq=Rjrep+Y=jFqM9moYf0En4AAoHzQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Greetings, everyone.

Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.

Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further information on the call.

Sincerely,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
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From migiraldo at cable.net.co  Thu Jul 10 07:53:19 2014
From: migiraldo at cable.net.co (migiraldo at cable.net.co)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 04:53:19 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe
	LocallyRelevant Content
Message-ID: <8F259A241B374BFEB0DF343D6470CB2E@mail2world.com>

Hello all,

 Thanks to Stuart, Susan and you all, my name is Martha Giraldo and I've
worked mostly with ICT appropriation in my country (Colombia), now
definitively interested on content access to improve better lives for
people. I'm just joining this conversations, my main language is
Spanish, please apologize for all the mistakes. I like very much the
idea of clarifying the purpose we would like to pursue before we engage
in definitions about content. If we are looking on information for local
development, local produced content is as important as other information
(national governments, ngo's, privates, others) this is what I'm most
worried about and has taken me to know that the question of access is
crucial. How to make information more accessible, what would we need
from the Internet to help for that? Is it about non commercial search
algorithms? Or is it about developing new applications? I'm talking then
about the soft. Infrastructure needed. If we find the answer we can then
think on promoting local production and helping on the appropriation
(libraries are wonderful places for that).  May we include a space for
discussing this?

Martha 

<-----Original Message----->
From: michael gurstein [gurstein at gmail.com]
Sent: 10/7/2014 10:00:48 AM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe
LocallyRelevant Content


In discussing the issues being raised in this forum a colleague from
Kenya usefully forwarded the below. 

 

By doing this he also reminded of the quite considerable significance of
national (i.e. ??olocal???) content in the Canadian context
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content> .?  This issue has been
highly controversial over the years with certain of Canada??Ts major
trading partners (viz. the US) arguing that CanCon rules were a
restriction of trade (culture being a tradable commodity like any other)
and Canada arguing that (Canadian) ??ocontent??? is an integral element
of Canadian culture and thus is not tradable or subject to normal
trading rules.

 

M 

 

Thanks Michael,

some light on what legally constitutes local content in Kenya.

*Local content definition and programming requirement as published
under, Kenya Information and Communications Act(Cap 411A)- The Kenya
Information and Communications (Broadcasting) Regulations, 2009 as
follows: -

??olocal content??? means the total of all television or radio
programmes which fulfil any five of the following conditions:

(a) the production is made in either Kenya??Ts native languages or
official languages of Kenya;

(b) production was done in Kenya;

(c) the content deals with issues that are unique and relevant to Kenyan
audiences;

(d) at least twenty per centum of the share of the production company
are owned by Kenyans;

(e) a majority of the artistes are Kenyans;

(f) the location of shooting, in case of audiovisual programmes or
performance was in Kenya;

(g) the author thereof must be a Kenyan national and in case of
co-authorship or multi-authorship fifty per centum or more of the
authors must be Kenyan;

(h) the production is made under Kenyan creative and technical control;

but does not include news and commentaries;

http://www.kenyalaw.org/LegalNotices/pop_ln.php?file=357

 

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From glenn.deen at nbcuni.com  Thu Jul 10 10:59:51 2014
From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:59:51 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
In-Reply-To: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>
References: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>
Message-ID: <EC7B1DF8-38FD-4308-8E19-62C8E99D2DFE@nbcuni.com>

What is the meeting password for today?

Glenn
--------
Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:52 AM, "Stuart Hamilton" <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> For those able to join us for the first group call, please find the details at the end of this email. To help orient us ahead of this call, let me recall the schedule Susan has laid out:
> 
> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
> 
> Call on 10 or 11 July
> 
> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*
> 
> Call on 24 or 25 July
> 
> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*
> 
> Call on 14 or 15 August
> 
> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
> 
> 
> In terms of an agenda for the call, I would suggest that we should try something like:
> 
> A. Recap of what we have discussed so far (namely our conversation about a definition of local content) and areas of agreement/disagreement that the consultants synthesising the discussion should particularly note.
> B. Moving on to issues 2 and 3 in the schedule above - how to continue the discussion?
> C. Next steps
> 
> If this doesn't work, I'd be happy to try something different. We think we are a small number on the call so we should be able to be flexible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> ..................................................................................................................................................................................
> 
> Topic: IGF BPF local content 
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014 
> Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) 
> Meeting Number: 956 305 903 
> Meeting Password: IGF2014 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> To register for this meeting 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> 1. Go to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&RT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 
> 2. Register for the meeting. 
> 
> Once the host approves your request, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for joining the meeting. 
> 
> Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need to register again. 
> 
> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: 
> https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&ORT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> For assistance 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> 1. Go to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/mc 
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 
> You can contact me at: 
> teleanu_sorina at yahoo.com 
> 
> 
> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your computer by going to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/systemdiagnosis.php. 
> 
> http://www.webex.com
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:03:15 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>    <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 tomorrow @ 17h UTC
> Message-ID:
>    <CACRQNJ5mo06-_3oURKS9hq=Rjrep+Y=jFqM9moYf0En4AAoHzQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.
> 
> Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further information on the call.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> 
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
> 
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
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> 
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> 
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From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Thu Jul 10 11:04:50 2014
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:04:50 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
In-Reply-To: <EC7B1DF8-38FD-4308-8E19-62C8E99D2DFE@nbcuni.com>
References: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>
	<EC7B1DF8-38FD-4308-8E19-62C8E99D2DFE@nbcuni.com>
Message-ID: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E47AC8@MFP02.IFLA.lan>

Hi Glenn

I make it: IGF2014

See below:

Topic: IGF BPF local content
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014
> Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) Meeting Number: 956 305 
> 903 Meeting Password: IGF2014

Cheers,

Stuart

-----Original Message-----
From: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) [mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com] 
Sent: 10 July 2014 17:00
To: Stuart Hamilton
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC

What is the meeting password for today?

Glenn
--------
Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:52 AM, "Stuart Hamilton" <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> For those able to join us for the first group call, please find the details at the end of this email. To help orient us ahead of this call, let me recall the schedule Susan has laid out:
> 
> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
> 
> Call on 10 or 11 July
> 
> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*
> 
> Call on 24 or 25 July
> 
> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*
> 
> Call on 14 or 15 August
> 
> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
> 
> 
> In terms of an agenda for the call, I would suggest that we should try something like:
> 
> A. Recap of what we have discussed so far (namely our conversation about a definition of local content) and areas of agreement/disagreement that the consultants synthesising the discussion should particularly note.
> B. Moving on to issues 2 and 3 in the schedule above - how to continue the discussion?
> C. Next steps
> 
> If this doesn't work, I'd be happy to try something different. We think we are a small number on the call so we should be able to be flexible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> ..................................................................................................................................................................................
> 
> Topic: IGF BPF local content
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014
> Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) Meeting Number: 956 305 
> 903 Meeting Password: IGF2014
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> To register for this meeting
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to 
> https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=
> 0&RT=MiMyMA%3D%3D
> 2. Register for the meeting. 
> 
> Once the host approves your request, you will receive a confirmation email with instructions for joining the meeting. 
> 
> Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need to register again. 
> 
> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: 
> https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=
> 0&ORT=MiMyMA%3D%3D
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> For assistance
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 1. Go to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/mc
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 
> You can contact me at: 
> teleanu_sorina at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your computer by going to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/systemdiagnosis.php. 
> 
> http://www.webex.com
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:03:15 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>    <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 tomorrow @ 17h UTC
> Message-ID:
>    
> <CACRQNJ5mo06-_3oURKS9hq=Rjrep+Y=jFqM9moYf0En4AAoHzQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.
> 
> Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further information on the call.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> 
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
> 
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
> -------------- next part --------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
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> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfor
> um.org
> 
> 
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From STELEANU at unog.ch  Thu Jul 10 11:45:11 2014
From: STELEANU at unog.ch (Sorina TELEANU)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:45:11 +0200
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
In-Reply-To: <EC7B1DF8-38FD-4308-8E19-62C8E99D2DFE@nbcuni.com>
References: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>
	<EC7B1DF8-38FD-4308-8E19-62C8E99D2DFE@nbcuni.com>
Message-ID: <OF11520E1B.9CE6EF85-ONC1257D11.00567429-C1257D11.005688DF@unog.un.org>

Dear all,

The password is IGF2014 

Best,

Sorina Teleanu
IGF SEcretariat



From:   "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
To:     Stuart Hamilton <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org>, 
Cc:     "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" 
<bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Date:   10/07/2014 17:00
Subject:        Re: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
Sent by:        "Bp_localcontent" 
<bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>



What is the meeting password for today?

Glenn
--------
Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:52 AM, "Stuart Hamilton" 
<Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone
> 
> For those able to join us for the first group call, please find the 
details at the end of this email. To help orient us ahead of this call, 
let me recall the schedule Susan has laid out:
> 
> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
> 
> Call on 10 or 11 July
> 
> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry 
development) *10 - 16 July*
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, 
impediments *17 - 23 July*
> 
> Call on 24 or 25 July
> 
> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 
July*
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 
July - 6 August*
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is 
needed *7 - 13 August*
> 
> Call on 14 or 15 August
> 
> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed 
steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
> 
> 
> In terms of an agenda for the call, I would suggest that we should try 
something like:
> 
> A. Recap of what we have discussed so far (namely our conversation about 
a definition of local content) and areas of agreement/disagreement that 
the consultants synthesising the discussion should particularly note.
> B. Moving on to issues 2 and 3 in the schedule above - how to continue 
the discussion?
> C. Next steps
> 
> If this doesn't work, I'd be happy to try something different. We think 
we are a small number on the call so we should be able to be flexible.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
..................................................................................................................................................................................
> 
> Topic: IGF BPF local content 
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014 
> Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT) 
> Meeting Number: 956 305 903 
> Meeting Password: IGF2014 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> To register for this meeting 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> 1. Go to 
https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&RT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 

> 2. Register for the meeting. 
> 
> Once the host approves your request, you will receive a confirmation 
email with instructions for joining the meeting. 
> 
> Note: If you already registered for this meeting, you do not need to 
register again. 
> 
> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: 
> 
https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/j.php?ED=307082127&RG=1&UID=0&ORT=MiMyMA%3D%3D 

> 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> For assistance 
> ------------------------------------------------------- 
> 1. Go to https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/mc 
> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 
> You can contact me at: 
> teleanu_sorina at yahoo.com 
> 
> 
> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files 
requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the 
meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your 
computer by going to 
https://intgovforum.webex.com/intgovforum/systemdiagnosis.php. 
> 
> http://www.webex.com
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 16:03:15 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>    <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 tomorrow @ 17h UTC
> Message-ID:
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> Greetings, everyone.
> 
> Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or 
participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.
> 
> Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further 
information on the call.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> 
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From michele at blacknight.com  Thu Jul 10 11:51:56 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 15:51:56 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC
In-Reply-To: <OF11520E1B.9CE6EF85-ONC1257D11.00567429-C1257D11.005688DF@unog.un.org>
References: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E4753F@MFP02.IFLA.lan>
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Message-ID: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39988C18B@bkexchmbx02.blacknight.local>

Sorry I won't make the call today - I'm clearing my desk in order to head off for a couple of days

Regards

Michele


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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Sorina TELEANU
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 4:45 PM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Call No 1 Today (Thursday) @ 17h UTC

Dear all,

The password is IGF2014

Best,

Sorina Teleanu
IGF SEcretariat



From:        "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
To:        Stuart Hamilton <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org<mailto:Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org>>,
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________________________________



What is the meeting password for today?

Glenn
--------
Sent from my cell, please forgive the typos

> On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:52 AM, "Stuart Hamilton" <Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org<mailto:Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org>> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone
>
> For those able to join us for the first group call, please find the details at the end of this email. To help orient us ahead of this call, let me recall the schedule Susan has laid out:
>
> 1.     Definition of the issue *2 - 9 July*
>
> Call on 10 or 11 July
>
> 2.     Regional specificities observed (e.g. Internet industry development) *10 - 16 July*
> 3.     Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments *17 - 23 July*
>
> Call on 24 or 25 July
>
> 4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices *24 - 30 July*
> 5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad *31 July - 6 August*
> 6.     Unresolved issues where further multistakeholder cooperation is needed *7 - 13 August*
>
> Call on 14 or 15 August
>
> 7.     Insights gained as a result of the experience and 8.  Proposed steps for further multistakeholder dialogue *14 - 20 August*
>
>
> In terms of an agenda for the call, I would suggest that we should try something like:
>
> A. Recap of what we have discussed so far (namely our conversation about a definition of local content) and areas of agreement/disagreement that the consultants synthesising the discussion should particularly note.
> B. Moving on to issues 2 and 3 in the schedule above - how to continue the discussion?
> C. Next steps
>
> If this doesn't work, I'd be happy to try something different. We think we are a small number on the call so we should be able to be flexible.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stuart
>
> ..................................................................................................................................................................................
>
> Topic: IGF BPF local content
> Date: Thursday, July 10, 2014
> Time: 5:00 pm, Greenwich Time (Reykjavik, GMT)
> Meeting Number: 956 305 903
> Meeting Password: IGF2014
>
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> Greetings, everyone.
>
> Thanks to all for participating in the poll. The highest number or participants was for the slot tomorrow, from 17h00 to 18h00 UTC.
>
> Either Stuart or myself will be in touch shortly with further information on the call.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan
>
> --
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>
> +1 269 324 4101
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Thu Jul 10 16:46:07 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 16:46:07 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings, everyone,

Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive and
helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
of what "local content" is.

We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we solicit
information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to get us
started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple beginnings
with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these into context.
Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas - you are very
welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of the document
will describe the state of Internet industry development in the countries
represented.

Area 1 - Human Capacities

   - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
   skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
   - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
   country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
   the blind or print-disabled, for example?
   - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
   what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
   content?
   - ....

Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure

   - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
   - What is the broadband penetration rate?
   - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
   people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
   - ....

Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

   - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
   country/region?
   - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
   - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
   - ....

Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we look
forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me off
list with questions in English or French.

Sincere regards,
Susan

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From dg_cameron at bigpond.com  Thu Jul 10 19:07:20 2014
From: dg_cameron at bigpond.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:07:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe
	Locally	Relevant Content
Message-ID: <30598733.4455.1405033640681.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba08-app>

Thanks Michael,

A similar definition and rules apply to Australian broadcasters - 55% of all commercial television content must be "local" between the hours of 6:00 am to midnight - local content is defined below:

What is an Australian program
	(1)	Subject to subsections (3) and (4), a program is an Australian program if:
	(a)	it is produced under the creative control of Australians; and
	(b)	it was made without financial assistance from the television production fund.
	(2)	For paragraph (1) (a), a program is produced under the creative control of Australians if:
	(a)	the producer of the program is, or the producers of the program are, Australian (whether or not the program is produced in conjunction with a co producer, or an executive producer, who is not an Australian); and
	(b)	either:
	(i)	the director of the program is, or the directors of the program are, Australian; or
	(ii)	the writer of the program is, or the writers of the program are, Australian; and
	(c)	at least 50% of the leading actors, including voice actors, or on screen presenters appearing in the program are Australians; and
	(d)	in the case of a drama program ? at least 75% of the major supporting cast appearing in the program are Australians; and
	(e)	subject to subsection (5), the program is produced and post produced in Australia (whether or not it is filmed in Australia); and
	(f)	in the case of an animated program ? the program satisfies at least 3 of the following requirements:
	(i)	the production designer is Australian;
	(ii)	the character designer is Australian;
	(iii)	the supervising layout artist is Australian;
	(iv)	the supervising storyboard artist is Australian;
	(v)	the key background artist is Australian.

Australian Communications and Media Authority, full details at: http://www.acma.gov.au/~/media/Content%20Monitoring%20and%20Review/Regulation/Australian%20Content%20Standard%202005%20doc.doc

Don



 

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From: michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] FW: Local Content Definition - maybe Locally
Relevant Content
In discussing the issues being raised in this forum a colleague from Kenya usefully forwarded the below.
By doing this he also reminded of the quite considerable significance of national (i.e. ?local?) content in the Canadian context <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content> . This issue has been highly controversial over the years with certain of Canada?s major trading partners (viz. the US) arguing that CanCon rules were a restriction of trade (culture being a tradable commodity like any other) and Canada arguing that (Canadian) ?content? is an integral element of Canadian culture and thus is not tradable or subject to normal trading rules.
M
Thanks Michael,
some light on what legally constitutes local content in Kenya.
*Local content definition and programming requirement as published under, Kenya Information and Communications Act(Cap 411A)- The Kenya Information and Communications (Broadcasting) Regulations, 2009 as follows: -
?local content? means the total of all television or radio programmes which fulfil any five of the following conditions:
(a) the production is made in either Kenya?s native languages or official languages of Kenya;
(b) production was done in Kenya;
(c) the content deals with issues that are unique and relevant to Kenyan audiences;
(d) at least twenty per centum of the share of the production company are owned by Kenyans;
(e) a majority of the artistes are Kenyans;
(f) the location of shooting, in case of audiovisual programmes or performance was in Kenya;
(g) the author thereof must be a Kenyan national and in case of co-authorship or multi-authorship fifty per centum or more of the authors must be Kenyan;
(h) the production is made under Kenyan creative and technical control;
but does not include news and commentaries;
http://www.kenyalaw.org/LegalNotices/pop_ln.php?file=357
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Thu Jul 10 20:20:44 2014
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:20:44 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEux40sXjhKvBgKd5bbqKzu6shcZ5WDZZwPpLGR+q606hwmjiw@mail.gmail.com>

Apologises Susan,

I missed the call was on flight to Abuja for African IGF.

Will definitely join next call.

Regards

Poncelet


On 10 July 2014 20:46, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> wrote:

> Greetings, everyone,
>
> Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
> outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
> of what "local content" is.
>
> We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we solicit
> information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to get us
> started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple beginnings
> with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these into context.
> Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas - you are very
> welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of the document
> will describe the state of Internet industry development in the countries
> represented.
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
>    - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
>    skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
>    - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
>    country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
>    the blind or print-disabled, for example?
>    - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
>    what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
>    content?
>    - ....
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
>    - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
>    - What is the broadband penetration rate?
>    - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
>    people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
>    - ....
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>    - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
>    country/region?
>    - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
>    - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
>    - ....
>
> Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me
> off list with questions in English or French.
>
> Sincere regards,
> Susan
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>


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From michele at blacknight.com  Thu Jul 10 20:41:46 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:41:46 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F44ABDF-136E-4338-A1D4-D8E7B112D2A2@blacknight.com>

Susan

Is region defined?
I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?

Sorry if that's a dumb question

Regards

Michele

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Blacknight
http://Blacknight.tel

Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity

On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>> wrote:

Greetings, everyone,

Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition of what "local content" is.

We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas - you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in the countries represented.

Area 1 - Human Capacities

  *   To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
  *   Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for the blind or print-disabled, for example?
  *   To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating content?
  *   ....

Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure

  *   How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
  *   What is the broadband penetration rate?
  *   What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
  *   ....

Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

  *   What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the country/region?
  *   What inspires people in your country/region to create?
  *   What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
  *   ....

Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me off list with questions in English or French.

Sincere regards,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Thu Jul 10 22:21:33 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 22:21:33 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
In-Reply-To: <6F44ABDF-136E-4338-A1D4-D8E7B112D2A2@blacknight.com>
References: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6F44ABDF-136E-4338-A1D4-D8E7B112D2A2@blacknight.com>
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ7+NsR8eptmaRfi6rogxY85qykhFjmdusHx-LZV1=QX1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michele,

Certainly not a dumb question and mea culpa for using terms so loosely in
the UN context. There is no hard and fast definition of region here.

Sincerely,
Susan


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Susan
>
>  Is region defined?
> I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
> But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?
>
>  Sorry if that's a dumb question
>
>  Regards
>
>  Michele
>
> ------------------------
> Mr. Michele Neylon
> Blacknight
> http://Blacknight.tel
>
>  Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>
> On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> wrote:
>
>   Greetings, everyone,
>
>  Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
> outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
> of what "local content" is.
>
>  We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we
> solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to
> get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple
> beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these
> into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas -
> you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of
> the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in
> the countries represented.
>
>  Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
>    - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
>    skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
>    - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
>    country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
>    the blind or print-disabled, for example?
>    - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
>    what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
>    content?
>    - ....
>
>  Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
>    - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
>    - What is the broadband penetration rate?
>    - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
>    people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
>    - ....
>
>  Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>    - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
>    country/region?
>    - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
>    - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
>    - ....
>
> Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me
> off list with questions in English or French.
>
>  Sincere regards,
> Susan
>
>  --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>  +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
>  _______________________________________________
>
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>


-- 
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
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From dg_cameron at bigpond.com  Fri Jul 11 00:03:55 2014
From: dg_cameron at bigpond.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 14:03:55 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
Message-ID: <32794188.5369.1405051435864.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba10-app>

Hi Susan,

I was wondering about the tech infrastructure question (Area2) - Most of this is well researched and published (how many ICP's and BB penetration), so are you after a more localised perspective of the the reality of the research? In Australia as elsewhere our published research is more than a little glorified by incorporating any bandwidth above 56K as 'broadband', even when such bandwidth is at the limit of mobile or WIFI reception, and/or oversubscribed and essentially one-way satellite offering no scope at all for local hosting. Perhaps the worst of these is where broadband is defined as 'accessible' yet local telephone exchanges lack adequate DSLAM's to provide a service meaning the only option is mobile BB (and once again, no provision for local hosting). It's very hard to gain true insight into the extent of broadband coverage when broadband itself is so loosely defined.  

Less researched IMO is the question of hosting location (local or abroad) and this might prove difficult to determine. I previously ran an ISP and today administer a large regional network, and while our logs provide an excellent reference for connectivity and usage rates; what they do not show is how and where people host content. I wonder how many people really know? IBM have a very large data centre in Australia however it is also mirrored elsewhere across the globe. Where does the content live?  

Don 



------------------------------------------
From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
To: michele at blacknight.com;
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
Hi Michele,
Certainly not a dumb question and mea culpa for using terms so loosely in
the UN context. There is no hard and fast definition of region here.
Sincerely,
Susan
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> Susan
>
> Is region defined?
> I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
> But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?
>
> Sorry if that's a dumb question
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> ------------------------
> Mr. Michele Neylon
> Blacknight
> http://Blacknight.tel
>
> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>
> On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone,
>
> Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
> outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
> of what "local content" is.
>
> We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we
> solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to
> get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple
> beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these
> into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas -
> you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of
> the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in
> the countries represented.
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
> skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
> - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
> country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
> the blind or print-disabled, for example?
> - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
> what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
> content?
> - ....
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
> - What is the broadband penetration rate?
> - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
> people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
> - ....
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
> - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
> country/region?
> - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
> - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
> - ....
>
> Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me
> off list with questions in English or French.
>
> Sincere regards,
> Susan
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>
--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy
+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org



From susan at susanchalmers.com  Fri Jul 11 13:25:05 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 13:25:05 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
In-Reply-To: <32794188.5369.1405051435864.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba10-app>
References: <32794188.5369.1405051435864.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba10-app>
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Dear Don,

Many thanks for your email.

On the research - it would be helpful if you could share the figures and
reference links.

On the context - thank you for sharing. Your thoughts on the nebulous
definition of broadband alone are insightful. And why there aren't adequate
DSLAMs - is it because the ILEC has the keys to the building? Didn't Amazon
open a big data centre in Sydney not loo long ago? Last year the NOG
community in NZ discussed whether, given Australia's growth, traffic should
flow to and fro over Southern Cross Sydney more often than LA. Where has
tromboning decreased for countries and why? Dessalegn I believe mentioned
edge caching last week.

There are all valuable questions, the answers to which we have to collect
in a very short amount of time. So all insights welcome on Areas 1, 2 and 3.


Cheers,
Susan




On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com>
wrote:

> Hi Susan,
>
> I was wondering about the tech infrastructure question (Area2) - Most of
> this is well researched and published (how many ICP's and BB penetration),
> so are you after a more localised perspective of the the reality of the
> research? In Australia as elsewhere our published research is more than a
> little glorified by incorporating any bandwidth above 56K as 'broadband',
> even when such bandwidth is at the limit of mobile or WIFI reception,
> and/or oversubscribed and essentially one-way satellite offering no scope
> at all for local hosting. Perhaps the worst of these is where broadband is
> defined as 'accessible' yet local telephone exchanges lack adequate DSLAM's
> to provide a service meaning the only option is mobile BB (and once again,
> no provision for local hosting). It's very hard to gain true insight into
> the extent of broadband coverage when broadband itself is so loosely
> defined.
>
> Less researched IMO is the question of hosting location (local or abroad)
> and this might prove difficult to determine. I previously ran an ISP and
> today administer a large regional network, and while our logs provide an
> excellent reference for connectivity and usage rates; what they do not show
> is how and where people host content. I wonder how many people really know?
> IBM have a very large data centre in Australia however it is also mirrored
> elsewhere across the globe. Where does the content live?
>
> Don
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: michele at blacknight.com;
> CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
> Hi Michele,
> Certainly not a dumb question and mea culpa for using terms so loosely in
> the UN context. There is no hard and fast definition of region here.
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> > Susan
> >
> > Is region defined?
> > I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
> > But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?
> >
> > Sorry if that's a dumb question
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Michele
> >
> > ------------------------
> > Mr. Michele Neylon
> > Blacknight
> > http://Blacknight.tel
> >
> > Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
> >
> > On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, everyone,
> >
> > Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> > and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary
> that
> > outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> > infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general
> definition
> > of what "local content" is.
> >
> > We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we
> > solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts
> to
> > get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple
> > beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these
> > into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three
> areas -
> > you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section
> of
> > the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in
> > the countries represented.
> >
> > Area 1 - Human Capacities
> >
> > - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
> > skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
> > - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
> > country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
> > the blind or print-disabled, for example?
> > - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
> > what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
> > content?
> > - ....
> >
> > Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
> >
> > - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
> > - What is the broadband penetration rate?
> > - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
> > people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
> > - ....
> >
> > Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
> >
> > - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
> > country/region?
> > - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
> > - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
> > - ....
> >
> > Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> > look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact
> me
> > off list with questions in English or French.
> >
> > Sincere regards,
> > Susan
> >
> > --
> > Susan Chalmers
> > Consultant, Internet Policy
> >
> > +1 269 324 4101
> > www.susanchalmers.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> > Bp_localcontent mailing list
> > Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >
> >
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> >
> >
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>



-- 
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
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From dg_cameron at bigpond.com  Sat Jul 12 04:00:25 2014
From: dg_cameron at bigpond.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 18:00:25 +1000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
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Hi Susan ? A couple of links at the end of this email references UXP?s and broadband penetration (predominantly from ITU stats) in Oceania and elsewhere.

 

Broadband in today's parlance means little more than a marketing term used to describe any Internet connection that is not dial-up. It has no reference to the technical meaning of the word (the transport of multiple signals and traffic types simultaneously), nor does it have any reference to asynchronous traffic or the ability of the bandwidth to provide equally for uploads and downloads. There are tens of thousands of people across Australia connected to 'broadband' yet unable to upload content due to bandwidth limits and caps.   

 

The lack of DSLAM?s in .au is an outcome of Government policy to replace ADSL with FTTH. Most of our local analysts agree the situation will worsen over the next decade as population growth and new building approvals exceeds our projected capacity to install FTTH and we now lack incentive to install additional DSLAM?s. 

 

The situation in regional and rural Australia however is far more dire as the links below attest:

  

"In a move that will be of little surprise to those who access the internet through NBN satellites, iiNet said this week it is stopping all further connections to the satellite service because of sub-standard performance".

http://www.theland.com.au/news/agriculture/general/news/nbn-satellite-stalls/2678872.aspx

 

"One of Australia's largest broadband retailers, iiNet, will not sign up any new customers to NBN Co satellite services because capacity problems are slowing broadband speeds to ??be almost unusable??. The company is calling on other NBN satellite re-sellers to do the same". 

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/iinet-stops-selling-nbn-satellite-due-to-almost-unusable-speeds-20131118-hv3j3.html

 

"In many cases, customers with no access to any other high-speed services have had their internet and mobile phone data reduced to speeds of less than half that of an old dial-up modem despite being promised speeds of six megabytes a second. Tens of thousands of other families who want or need a service have been told they cannot sign up because the over-subscribed service is so clogged with traffic that at peak times it can take up to two days for large files to be sent".

http://www.news.com.au/national/nbn-fiasco-stephen-conroys-satellite-internet-lost-in-space-slows-to-a-crawl/story-fncynjr2-1226837699565

 

IXP?s :

http://www.bgp4.as/internet-exchanges

 

Broadband penetration:

http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats6.htm

 

ITU 2012 figures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadband_penetration

 

Re your question on tromboning; I?m not entirely sure of the proper meaning in a Telco context, however in IT nowadays we focus on anti-tromboning through the deployment of MIMO network topologies and network border nodes. In practice this is so an end node (user) can communicate with another end node (user) without having to route through the central carrier network. The benefit is much lower cost (often free connectivity between all local end nodes) and less traffic ($$) on the carrier network. When used with technologies like caching (use of local proxy cache?s etc.) it?s another way we can improve connectivity while reducing the reliance on Telco carrier networks. A WIFI breadcrumbs mesh is a typical example. 

 

This sort of tech and routing has been deployed for some years in large corporate and Govt networks although we are really only beginning to see it enter the public space.

 

Hope the above helps,

 

Regards, Don

 

From: Susan Chalmers [mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com] 
Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2014 3:25 AM
To: dg_cameron at bigpond.com
Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities

 

Dear Don,

 

Many thanks for your email.

 

On the research - it would be helpful if you could share the figures and reference links.

 

On the context - thank you for sharing. Your thoughts on the nebulous definition of broadband alone are insightful. And why there aren't adequate DSLAMs - is it because the ILEC has the keys to the building? Didn't Amazon open a big data centre in Sydney not loo long ago? Last year the NOG community in NZ discussed whether, given Australia's growth, traffic should flow to and fro over Southern Cross Sydney more often than LA. Where has tromboning decreased for countries and why? Dessalegn I believe mentioned edge caching last week. 

 

There are all valuable questions, the answers to which we have to collect in a very short amount of time. So all insights welcome on Areas 1, 2 and 3.

 

 

Cheers,

Susan

 

 

 

On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com> wrote:

Hi Susan,

I was wondering about the tech infrastructure question (Area2) - Most of this is well researched and published (how many ICP's and BB penetration), so are you after a more localised perspective of the the reality of the research? In Australia as elsewhere our published research is more than a little glorified by incorporating any bandwidth above 56K as 'broadband', even when such bandwidth is at the limit of mobile or WIFI reception, and/or oversubscribed and essentially one-way satellite offering no scope at all for local hosting. Perhaps the worst of these is where broadband is defined as 'accessible' yet local telephone exchanges lack adequate DSLAM's to provide a service meaning the only option is mobile BB (and once again, no provision for local hosting). It's very hard to gain true insight into the extent of broadband coverage when broadband itself is so loosely defined.

Less researched IMO is the question of hosting location (local or abroad) and this might prove difficult to determine. I previously ran an ISP and today administer a large regional network, and while our logs provide an excellent reference for connectivity and usage rates; what they do not show is how and where people host content. I wonder how many people really know? IBM have a very large data centre in Australia however it is also mirrored elsewhere across the globe. Where does the content live?

Don



------------------------------------------
From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
To: michele at blacknight.com;
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities

Hi Michele,
Certainly not a dumb question and mea culpa for using terms so loosely in
the UN context. There is no hard and fast definition of region here.
Sincerely,
Susan
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> Susan
>
> Is region defined?
> I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
> But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?
>
> Sorry if that's a dumb question
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> ------------------------
> Mr. Michele Neylon
> Blacknight
> http://Blacknight.tel
>
> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>
> On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone,
>
> Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
> outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
> of what "local content" is.
>
> We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we
> solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to
> get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple
> beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these
> into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas -
> you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of
> the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in
> the countries represented.
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>

> - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital

> skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?

> - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your

> country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
> the blind or print-disabled, for example?

> - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or

> what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
> content?

> - ....

>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>

> - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
> - What is the broadband penetration rate?
> - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do

> people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?

> - ....

>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>

> - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
> country/region?
> - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
> - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
> - ....

>
> Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me
> off list with questions in English or French.
>
> Sincere regards,
> Susan
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>
--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy
+1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
www.susanchalmers.com
_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org





 

-- 

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Consultant, Internet Policy

 

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From kende at isoc.org  Sat Jul 12 07:51:01 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:51:01 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
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Hello,

Thanks Susan for setting up the next phase.  A few thoughts below.

First, on data we have been gathering an excel spreadsheet where we can include broadband penetration levels (fixed and mobile), presence of ISP competition, and many other measures, for Africa, Latin America, and emerging Asia-Pacific.  I would be happy to share that, although of course it does not replace on-the-ground stories about the state of competition, as opposed to the database which indicates whether competition is allowed, but not how vigorous it is.  Most of the data come from the ITU.

I would also like to share a bit more information that I have gathered about local content in Rwanda given to us by the government.  They asked the ISPs to indicate to them the top 20 Rwandan-owned websites, of which about 15 are commercial, and the rest are government.  The government ones are required to be hosted locally, all of the others are hosted abroad, either Europe or the US.  (Note that these were not the top 20 websites visited by Rwandans, which of course include Google and others like in other countries).

While there we (Karen Rose and myself) held a local content workshop, including government, ISPs, content providers, web developers, and data centers, and the main issues raised for the decision to host abroad were price and quality of service (including security), characteristics of which were viewed more positively abroad.  This led to some spirited discussions, which revealed that some of these views were based on perception rather than actual experiences ? there were stories of US web hosters losing all data, and evidence of falling prices locally.  Of course, it is hard to sort through these stories in a workshop, but what everyone agreed was that getting together in one room to talk through these issues is itself very beneficial to help dispel myths.   A number of the websites acknowledged the benefits of hosting locally, in terms of latency, and expressed the price point at which they would be willing to do that - one small company was live streaming video from local events, to local users, via Colorado, with a high latency and filling up international transit both directions, and was looking for a local solution.  Others, some of whom entrusted their sites to web developers, in fact had no idea where there content was actually being hosted (including the CEO of one of the largest ISPs, who did not know where his website was, but promised to look into it and consider ?bringing it home? ? we discovered it was in the Amazon cloud, not local).

Finally, a note about ?locally relevant content?.  As part of its Google Global Cache program, there is a YouTube cache in Rwanda, available to all ISPs via the IXP, RINEX.  While it takes some international capacity to fill the cache, we calculated that at the current cost of international transit, the cache is saving ISPs USD 750,000 per year ? much of it new traffic driven by the lower latency, which in turn is increasing revenues for the ISPs who sell data incrementally.  As more such content is cached locally, such as from the other CDNs, it will further decrease costs, and can promote bigger buckets of data from the ISPs, further driving usage.  Also, it highlights the benefits to local content providers of hosting their own websites locally.  That, for me, illustrates the value of international locally relevant content in driving usage.

We are gathering data from the ISPs and content providers, and if not sooner, hope to be able to report on the numbers at the IGF.

Best regards,
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Friday 11 July 2014 19:25
To: "dg_cameron at bigpond.com<mailto:dg_cameron at bigpond.com>" <dg_cameron at bigpond.com<mailto:dg_cameron at bigpond.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities

Dear Don,

Many thanks for your email.

On the research - it would be helpful if you could share the figures and reference links.

On the context - thank you for sharing. Your thoughts on the nebulous definition of broadband alone are insightful. And why there aren't adequate DSLAMs - is it because the ILEC has the keys to the building? Didn't Amazon open a big data centre in Sydney not loo long ago? Last year the NOG community in NZ discussed whether, given Australia's growth, traffic should flow to and fro over Southern Cross Sydney more often than LA. Where has tromboning decreased for countries and why? Dessalegn I believe mentioned edge caching last week.

There are all valuable questions, the answers to which we have to collect in a very short amount of time. So all insights welcome on Areas 1, 2 and 3.


Cheers,
Susan




On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Don Cameron <dg_cameron at bigpond.com<mailto:dg_cameron at bigpond.com>> wrote:
Hi Susan,

I was wondering about the tech infrastructure question (Area2) - Most of this is well researched and published (how many ICP's and BB penetration), so are you after a more localised perspective of the the reality of the research? In Australia as elsewhere our published research is more than a little glorified by incorporating any bandwidth above 56K as 'broadband', even when such bandwidth is at the limit of mobile or WIFI reception, and/or oversubscribed and essentially one-way satellite offering no scope at all for local hosting. Perhaps the worst of these is where broadband is defined as 'accessible' yet local telephone exchanges lack adequate DSLAM's to provide a service meaning the only option is mobile BB (and once again, no provision for local hosting). It's very hard to gain true insight into the extent of broadband coverage when broadband itself is so loosely defined.

Less researched IMO is the question of hosting location (local or abroad) and this might prove difficult to determine. I previously ran an ISP and today administer a large regional network, and while our logs provide an excellent reference for connectivity and usage rates; what they do not show is how and where people host content. I wonder how many people really know? IBM have a very large data centre in Australia however it is also mirrored elsewhere across the globe. Where does the content live?

Don



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From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
To: michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>;
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
Hi Michele,
Certainly not a dumb question and mea culpa for using terms so loosely in
the UN context. There is no hard and fast definition of region here.
Sincerely,
Susan
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
> Susan
>
> Is region defined?
> I'm in Ireland so obviously I know which country I'm in :-)
> But in relation to "region" would that mean Europe?
>
> Sorry if that's a dumb question
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> ------------------------
> Mr. Michele Neylon
> Blacknight
> http://Blacknight.tel
>
> Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity
>
> On 10 Jul 2014, at 21:46, "Susan Chalmers" <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone,
>
> Thank you to those who joined us on the call today. It was a productive
> and helpful discussion. As mentioned, we will follow up with a summary that
> outlines the three-part framing of the issue, (human capacity, technical
> infrastructure, legal frameworks), which will inform the general definition
> of what "local content" is.
>
> We are now onto our second part of the discussion, during which we
> solicit information on regional specificities. Below are a few thoughts to
> get us started. I invite everyone on this list to enrich these simple
> beginnings with facts, references, and brief explanations putting these
> into context. Please add to the list under one or more of the three areas -
> you are very welcome to ask and answer your own questions. This section of
> the document will describe the state of Internet industry development in
> the countries represented.
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
> skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
> - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
> country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
> the blind or print-disabled, for example?
> - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
> what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
> content?
> - ....
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
> - What is the broadband penetration rate?
> - What is the local hosting market like in your country/region? Do
> people have their local content hosted abroad? Where?
> - ....
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
> - What is the state of ISP competition and regulation in the
> country/region?
> - What inspires people in your country/region to create?
> - What are the legal restrictions on content in your country/region?
> - ....
>
> Many thanks everyone in advance for sharing your contributions, and we
> look forward to continuing this discussion. Please feel free to contact me
> off list with questions in English or French.
>
> Sincere regards,
> Susan
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101<tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101>
> www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
>
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>
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>
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>
>
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Consultant, Internet Policy
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www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 10:10:03 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:10:03 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ5twrTAk4tEzmX-styO1z0Ajxr3=WOnb_DwzBVhREVOwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
wrote:

> Greetings, everyone,
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
>    - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
>    skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
>
>  I work with a university and i can say that students (younger ones) are
fine with basic skills required to create content, while those who don't
have the skills learn fast. The challenging part is how to engage the
students to create content in a coordinated and creative way. This role is
expected to be carried out by the lecturers, unfortunately a few lecturers
are doing this; for some its because they don't have the skills means,
however for many its because they are not willing/ready to learn the new
skills required in this digital world.

>
>    - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
>    country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
>    the blind or print-disabled, for example?
>
> I don't know of any govt web in my country that has really put the
visually disabled into consideration. However in my country, government
information/data is still relatively non-publicly available. There is an
on-going initiative on open-data which will perhaps improve the visibility
of government information access.

>
>    - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
>    what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
>    content?
>
>
Affordability of ICT devices is still a problem in my region, however there
are emerging in-region organisations who are introducing low cost devices.
This has enabled many to get connected and create content as much as
possible. For instance, a local company called tecno has intorduced
affordable mobile devices that allows any one to connect to the internet
via mobile. Those devices because they run on Android based platform, gives
people the opportunity to access free softwares that could help them in
creating content. There are quite a number of hubs where people go to use
the resources available to innovate, however those hubs are not scattered
across the country.

The major means of connecting to the internet to create content is via
broadband (mobile) service providers. This limits the level of work people
can do as not all mobile providers run 3g/4g across the country, and those
who run the technology also don't necessarily deliver the expected
bandwidth.

>
>    - ....
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
>    - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
>
> There are 4 IXPs in Nigeria you can find more info here:
http://ixp.net.ng/

>
>    - What is the broadband penetration rate?
>
> Penetration rate is relatively increasing  in the country.

You know what Susan, i think i will stop here, as the critical questions
you asked may be best backed up by data from relevant source so perhaps the
Data Michael refer to will come in handy and when shared we can then
discuss on the reasons why those data "are what they are" and how to
improve on them.

Regards

> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>


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From migiraldo at cable.net.co  Tue Jul 15 12:49:17 2014
From: migiraldo at cable.net.co (migiraldo at cable.net.co)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 09:49:17 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
Message-ID: <0D34FE49ABCE464B9330C0944B5C80AD@mail2world.com>

Regarding specificities and the questions promted here, I?d like to
contribute with the following :


I am Colombian and I have worked in my country mainly in projects
related to ICTs use and appropriation (Ministries of Environment,
Education, Communications, Science, Research and Culture). I was
Director of RENATA ( www.renata.edu.co <http://www.renata.edu.co/> ) the
advanced academic network, where we promoted the development of the
Colombian Digital Library (www.bdcol.org) among Universities. I also
directed the project "Use and Appropriation of ICT in public libraries"
(funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation) and previous to that I
led a local content recovery project, a Community Atlas (environmental
and cultural) developed by children over the Internet.

>From the learnings I?ve picked up, with the recognition of our local
context and interested to contribue to make this a better country for
our citizens, the intention to help moving this country to the so called
knowledge and information society came clear. Cables are fundamental but
only when we recognize the value of access to information for
decision-making, for strengthening capacities for individuals /
communitiesas to be motors  for their own development, for reinforcing
our identity, only at thist point, we will truly move towards this new
society.

The colombian government (ICT Ministry) has effectively progressed on
connecting the whole country. Thus, the end of this year, we will have
our 1,300 municipalities with broadband internet. The last connectivity
miles should be completed by sectors and local municipalities. For
example, the Minister of Culture is committed to connect the 1,440
libraries of the country. Although we just delivered a Law of
Transparency and Access to Public Informationn this one is very limited
regarding access to it, publishing (few guides related to formats) is
the main focus.

The question that drives me is: What should the country do to take full
advantage of this infrastructure so that citizens can find the
information they need for their development? 

"Local" in this context would mean local to our country. Therefore,
promoting local content should consider not only production of content
(at a national -level as well as communities or individuals level),  but
also access to it. However will we encourage the production of local
content in order to launch it to the internet ocean? How to ensure
fishing? What type of policies, actions, infrastructure are needed to
make the information really accesible ?

This, for me, is the dilemma that I would like to address and I
encounter this group the proper one to discuss about.

Finally, I truly believe that public libraries are the ideal places for
the appropriation processes within communities. 


Regards,


Martha






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 	 	From: Seun Ojedeji [seun.ojedeji at gmail.com]
Sent: 12/7/2014 9:09:03 AM
To: susan at susanchalmers.com
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities 


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Susan Chalmers <
susan at susanchalmers.com <mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com> > wrote:


	Greetings, everyone,? 

	Area 1 - Human Capacities

	*	To what extent do people in your country/region have the
digital skills needed to create content/identify and access local
content?
		

? I work with a university and i can say that students (younger ones)
are fine with basic skills required to create content, while those who
don't have the skills learn fast. The challenging part is how to engage
the students to create content in a coordinated and creative way. This
role is expected to be carried out by the lecturers, unfortunately a few
lecturers are doing this; for some its because they don't have the
skills means, however for many its because they are not willing/ready to
learn the new skills required in this digital world.


	*	Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted,
missing in your country/region? Is local government information
accessible on the web for the blind or print-disabled, for example?

I don't know of any govt web in my country that has really put the
visually disabled into consideration. However in my country, government
information/data is still relatively non-publicly available. There is an
on-going initiative on open-data which will perhaps improve the
visibility of government information access. 


	*	To what degree do people in your country/region have
access to, or what is the affordability of, ICT devices with
applications for creating content?


Affordability of ICT devices is still a problem in my region, however
there are emerging in-region organisations who are introducing low cost
devices. This has enabled many to get connected and create content as
much as possible. For instance, a local company called tecno has
intorduced affordable mobile devices that allows any one to connect to
the internet via mobile. Those devices because they run on Android based
platform, gives people the opportunity to access free softwares that
could help them in creating content. There are quite a number of hubs
where people go to use the resources available to innovate, however
those hubs are not scattered across the country. 

The major means of connecting to the internet to create content is via
broadband (mobile) service providers. This limits the level of work
people can do as not all mobile providers run 3g/4g across the country,
and those who run the technology also don't necessarily deliver the
expected bandwidth.


	*	....

	Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure

	*	How many IXPs are in the your country/region?

There are 4 IXPs in Nigeria you can find more info here:
http://ixp.net.ng/ 


	*	What is the broadband penetration rate?

Penetration rate is relatively increasing?  in the country.


You know what Susan, i think i will stop here, as the critical questions
you asked may be best backed up by data from relevant source so perhaps
the Data Michael refer to will come in handy and when shared we can then
discuss on the reasons why those data "are what they are" and how to
improve on them.


Regards


	-- 
	
	Susan Chalmers
	Consultant, Internet Policy

	+1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
	www.susanchalmers.com <http://www.susanchalmers.com> 

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	Mobile: +2348035233535
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Sun Jul 20 17:25:08 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Regional Specificities
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Greetings everyone,

Thanks to those who have contributed to the "regional specificities"
discussion. We've heard from representatives from Australia, Cameroon,
Columbia and Nigeria. I will be preparing a summary on this section in the
next few days, so would vastly appreciate your contributions if you can
send them in.

Sincerely,
Susan


On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings, everyone,
>>
>> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>>
>>    - To what extent do people in your country/region have the digital
>>    skills needed to create content/identify and access local content?
>>
>>  I work with a university and i can say that students (younger ones) are
> fine with basic skills required to create content, while those who don't
> have the skills learn fast. The challenging part is how to engage the
> students to create content in a coordinated and creative way. This role is
> expected to be carried out by the lecturers, unfortunately a few lecturers
> are doing this; for some its because they don't have the skills means,
> however for many its because they are not willing/ready to learn the new
> skills required in this digital world.
>
>>
>>    - Are web accessibility standards observed, promoted, missing in your
>>    country/region? Is local government information accessible on the web for
>>    the blind or print-disabled, for example?
>>
>> I don't know of any govt web in my country that has really put the
> visually disabled into consideration. However in my country, government
> information/data is still relatively non-publicly available. There is an
> on-going initiative on open-data which will perhaps improve the visibility
> of government information access.
>
>>
>>    - To what degree do people in your country/region have access to, or
>>    what is the affordability of, ICT devices with applications for creating
>>    content?
>>
>>
> Affordability of ICT devices is still a problem in my region, however
> there are emerging in-region organisations who are introducing low cost
> devices. This has enabled many to get connected and create content as much
> as possible. For instance, a local company called tecno has intorduced
> affordable mobile devices that allows any one to connect to the internet
> via mobile. Those devices because they run on Android based platform, gives
> people the opportunity to access free softwares that could help them in
> creating content. There are quite a number of hubs where people go to use
> the resources available to innovate, however those hubs are not scattered
> across the country.
>
> The major means of connecting to the internet to create content is via
> broadband (mobile) service providers. This limits the level of work people
> can do as not all mobile providers run 3g/4g across the country, and those
> who run the technology also don't necessarily deliver the expected
> bandwidth.
>
>>
>>    - ....
>>
>> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>>
>>    - How many IXPs are in the your country/region?
>>
>> There are 4 IXPs in Nigeria you can find more info here:
> http://ixp.net.ng/
>
>>
>>    - What is the broadband penetration rate?
>>
>> Penetration rate is relatively increasing  in the country.
>
> You know what Susan, i think i will stop here, as the critical questions
> you asked may be best backed up by data from relevant source so perhaps the
> Data Michael refer to will come in handy and when shared we can then
> discuss on the reasons why those data "are what they are" and how to
> improve on them.
>
> Regards
>
>> --
>> Susan Chalmers
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>>
>> +1 269 324 4101
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb:
> http://www.fuoye.edu.ng <http://www.fuoye.edu.ng> Mobile: +2348035233535**alt
> email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng
> <seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng>*
>
> The key to understanding is humility - my view !
>
>
>


-- 
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Sun Jul 20 17:27:58 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:27:58 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ4FzZs3SykD30DWEKs1gxDLKjEPTKoVjD778Ofib-X1cQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the
issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the
issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to
summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.

Warm regards,
Susan

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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Sun Jul 20 17:32:22 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:32:22 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
	initiatives, impediments
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and
invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please
note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

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From migiraldo at cable.net.co  Sun Jul 20 21:13:46 2014
From: migiraldo at cable.net.co (Martha Giraldo)
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 20:13:46 -0500
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ4FzZs3SykD30DWEKs1gxDLKjEPTKoVjD778Ofib-X1cQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <001a01cfa481$0742aba0$15c802e0$@net.co>

Thank you Susan for such a good summary for the first section document. Particularly I adhere to the  OECD, ISOC and UNESCO definition for local content: The content that is most important to people is typically in their own language and is relevant to the communities in which they live and work. This definition is different to the others for this one establishes a purpose : important to people, relevant to the communities. 

Regards,

Martha

 

 

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Enviado el: domingo, 20 de julio de 2014 04:28 p.m.
Para: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Asunto: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1

 

Greetings all,

 

Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

 

This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.

 

Warm regards,

Susan


 

-- 

Susan Chalmers

Consultant, Internet Policy

 

+1 269 324 4101

www.susanchalmers.com

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From kende at isoc.org  Mon Jul 21 02:40:18 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 06:40:18 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>

Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to 'bring it home'.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues - so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues - whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube - that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From glenn.deen at nbcuni.com  Mon Jul 21 09:56:27 2014
From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:56:27 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>
Message-ID: <8F6D1668-1D54-48F6-B3A5-C586F9D3C35E@nbcuni.com>

Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:

Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From maliktauqeer01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 21 10:28:57 2014
From: maliktauqeer01 at yahoo.com (Tauqeer Safdar)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:28:57 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
	initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <8F6D1668-1D54-48F6-B3A5-C586F9D3C35E@nbcuni.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>
	<8F6D1668-1D54-48F6-B3A5-C586F9D3C35E@nbcuni.com>
Message-ID: <8695C3A2-3A29-41D8-BC32-A9AB568F033E@yahoo.com>

It's a pretty good idea and yes this I think will be the ideal case if we go for the implementation of search engines with local metadata. 

This can be very difficult to ask which part must be included in metadata but yes the simple information must be added in the local languages. 

Regards!

Tauqeer Safdar 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:56 AM, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:

> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?  
> 
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.
> 
> Regards
> Glenn
> 
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Susan,
>> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.  
>> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.  
>> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.  
>> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>> Thanks
>> Michael
>> 
>> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
>> Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
>> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
>> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments
>> 
>> Greetings all,
>> 
>> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.
>> 
>> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>> 
>> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>> 
>> Many thanks!
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Susan
>> 
>> -- 
>> Susan Chalmers
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>> 
>> +1 269 324 4101
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> _______________________________________________
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From maliktauqeer01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 21 10:30:51 2014
From: maliktauqeer01 at yahoo.com (Tauqeer Safdar)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 10:30:51 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
	initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFF27BC4.2C62F%kende@isoc.org>
Message-ID: <46098584-1A59-4D5F-9A6F-43EA39A5320B@yahoo.com>

I second +++

Regards

Tauqeer Safdar
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi Susan,
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.  
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.  
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.  
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
> Thanks
> Michael
> 
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.
> 
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
> 
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> 
> -- 
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
> 
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
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From baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm  Mon Jul 21 15:39:05 2014
From: baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm (baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:39:05 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
Message-ID: <20140721193905.7605768ooq409q4g@wm01.mtnbusiness.cm>

Hi Dear Susan, Dear All,
[Please see below to read my comments]

Le 20/07/2014 22:28, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Regional Specificities (Susan Chalmers)
>   2. Summary of section 1 (Susan Chalmers)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:27:58 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers<susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To:"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
> 	<bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
> Message-ID:
> 	<CACRQNJ4FzZs3SykD30DWEKs1gxDLKjEPTKoVjD778Ofib-X1cQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Greetings all,

Thanks Dear Susan,

>
> Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the
> issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the
> issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

I read it ; then I propose some ameliorations to your attention.
  Please see attached my revision [_Rv01] in the file initially named   
"LocalContent1of8.docx".

>
> This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to
> summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.
>
> Warm regards,
> Susan
>
> -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101   
> www.susanchalmers.com

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FYA, all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the   
previous attached document you can do as follow :
FYA, Y'all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the  
  previous attached document you can do as follow :
(i) Download the attached file with .bin extension by following the   
URL:   
http://mail.intgovforum.org/pipermail/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org/attachments/20140720/c9685599/attachment.bin   
;
(ii) Rename the file named "attachment.bin" to change the .bin   
extension with as well a .doc or .docx extension. You'll get a new   
file named "LocalContent1to8.doc", then you'll be able to open it with  
  your favorite word processing software ;
(iii) Open it with your favorite word processing software (Ex. Libre   
Office), prior to be able to modify it ;
(iv) Build your personal revision then send it to the list, copy to   
Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> ;
(v) Hope it'll be helpfull to some of you :-)
regards,
--sb.

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From Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com  Mon Jul 21 16:20:53 2014
From: Ellen.M.Blackler at disney.com (Blackler, Ellen M.)
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 13:20:53 -0700
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.275.1405971559.14200.bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org@intgovforum.org>
References: <mailman.275.1405971559.14200.bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org@intgovforum.org>
Message-ID: <2DD775041FD58942B53A77D93BFD2DA31E4E8071AB@SM-CALA-VXMB05A.swna.wdpr.disney.com>

Greetings all - Thank you for the summary Susan (and thank you Baya for the tutorial on opening attachments!) 

I have made a few comments in the document, as follows:

1.  Can we expand the reasons that we would like to see more content to also include something along the lines of enhancing and preserving the cultural life of communities? 

2.  In addition to the three areas we have in the chart, I think we should consider looking at sustainable business models and funding.  I am thinking of business models that support ongoing content creation such as advertising, subscription or direct purchase, and funding for public projects.  I think this applies to both professional and UGC content.  It may be that this can be fit into the chart as is, but I think it might benefit from being its own row as it would stimulate thinking about the barriers to and opportunities for  creating sustainable models to fund continued production and dissemination?

Best, Ellen


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Hi Dear Susan, Dear All,
[Please see below to read my comments]

Le 20/07/2014 22:28, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Regional Specificities (Susan Chalmers)
>   2. Summary of section 1 (Susan Chalmers)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
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> From: Susan Chalmers<susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To:"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
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> Greetings all,

Thanks Dear Susan,

>
> Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the
> issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the
> issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

I read it ; then I propose some ameliorations to your attention.
  Please see attached my revision [_Rv01] in the file initially named   
"LocalContent1of8.docx".

>
> This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to
> summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.
>
> Warm regards,
> Susan
>
> -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101   
> www.susanchalmers.com

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FYA, all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the   
previous attached document you can do as follow :
FYA, Y'all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the  
  previous attached document you can do as follow :
(i) Download the attached file with .bin extension by following the   
URL:   
http://mail.intgovforum.org/pipermail/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org/attachments/20140720/c9685599/attachment.bin   
;
(ii) Rename the file named "attachment.bin" to change the .bin   
extension with as well a .doc or .docx extension. You'll get a new   
file named "LocalContent1to8.doc", then you'll be able to open it with  
  your favorite word processing software ;
(iii) Open it with your favorite word processing software (Ex. Libre   
Office), prior to be able to modify it ;
(iv) Build your personal revision then send it to the list, copy to   
Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> ;
(v) Hope it'll be helpfull to some of you :-)
regards,
--sb.

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From Margaret.Allen at slwa.wa.gov.au  Tue Jul 22 01:25:42 2014
From: Margaret.Allen at slwa.wa.gov.au (Margaret Allen)
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:25:42 +0800
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33
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Hi Everyone
I've joined this discussion part way through so apologies if this has already been raised, but I would like to support Ellen's point 1 below.

Local content creation is particularly important to record and preserve indigenous knowledge, culture, stories and language.  Often this is at a very local level (i.e. specific to a single aboriginal community in Australia's case) and is used for inter-generational purposes (customs and secret/sacred business) to keep community and culture strong.  Some of this content may never be shared with the world at large - so it is 'local content' in its purest form - but vitally important to create and preserve.

In this sense the Legal element of the framework might also be considered as Legal and Cultural - so it would be useful to add cultural protocols under the Content Dissemination element of the Legal element.

Another Human consideration for Content Creation and Dissemination might be indigenous protocols or cultural awareness understanding.

Cheers
Marg




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Sent: Tuesday, 22 July 2014 4:21 AM
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Greetings all - Thank you for the summary Susan (and thank you Baya for the tutorial on opening attachments!)

I have made a few comments in the document, as follows:

1.  Can we expand the reasons that we would like to see more content to also include something along the lines of enhancing and preserving the cultural life of communities?

2.  In addition to the three areas we have in the chart, I think we should consider looking at sustainable business models and funding.  I am thinking of business models that support ongoing content creation such as advertising, subscription or direct purchase, and funding for public projects.  I think this applies to both professional and UGC content.  It may be that this can be fit into the chart as is, but I think it might benefit from being its own row as it would stimulate thinking about the barriers to and opportunities for  creating sustainable models to fund continued production and dissemination?

Best, Ellen


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Hi Dear Susan, Dear All,
[Please see below to read my comments]

Le 20/07/2014 22:28, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Regional Specificities (Susan Chalmers)
>   2. Summary of section 1 (Susan Chalmers)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:27:58 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers<susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To:"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
>       <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Greetings all,

Thanks Dear Susan,

>
> Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the
> issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the
> issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

I read it ; then I propose some ameliorations to your attention.
  Please see attached my revision [_Rv01] in the file initially named
"LocalContent1of8.docx".

>
> This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to
> summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.
>
> Warm regards,
> Susan
>
> -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com

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FYA, all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the
previous attached document you can do as follow :
FYA, Y'all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the
  previous attached document you can do as follow :
(i) Download the attached file with .bin extension by following the
URL:
http://mail.intgovforum.org/pipermail/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org/attachments/20140720/c9685599/attachment.bin
;
(ii) Rename the file named "attachment.bin" to change the .bin
extension with as well a .doc or .docx extension. You'll get a new
file named "LocalContent1to8.doc", then you'll be able to open it with
  your favorite word processing software ;
(iii) Open it with your favorite word processing software (Ex. Libre
Office), prior to be able to modify it ;
(iv) Build your personal revision then send it to the list, copy to
Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> ;
(v) Hope it'll be helpfull to some of you :-) regards, --sb.

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  PO Box 13107 YAOUNDE / CAMEROON
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 05:13:23 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:13:23 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <8F6D1668-1D54-48F6-B3A5-C586F9D3C35E@nbcuni.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
 Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
 Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:

>  Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>  This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>  Regards
> Glenn
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>   Hi Susan,
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
> Thanks
> Michael
>
>   From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>   Greetings all,
>
>  It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>  I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>  Area 1 - Human Capacities
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>  Many thanks!
>
>  Sincerely,
> Susan
>
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> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>  +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
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From michele at blacknight.com  Wed Jul 23 05:57:11 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 09:57:11 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
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Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 06:36:29 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:36:29 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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Michele,

The content owners don't make more money with these rules, they simply lose
money.  Kenya is a country where it's so impossible to pay for content that
it's virtually all stolen.  That can't be good for rights holders.

-Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
>   _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>
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From michele at blacknight.com  Wed Jul 23 06:38:28 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 10:38:28 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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I suspect they'd disagree

Have a look at the licensing deals for any mainstream TV show or movie

--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Adam Nelson [mailto:adam at varud.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight
Cc: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michele,

The content owners don't make more money with these rules, they simply lose money.  Kenya is a country where it's so impossible to pay for content that it's virtually all stolen.  That can't be good for rights holders.

-Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io<http://kili.io/>
Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io<http://kili.io/>
Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 06:49:08 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:49:08 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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Maybe Glenn can give some insight.

Anyway, I think the content owners would make more money on the long tail
both with local and global content by moving to a policy of carving big
markets out of the global market (i.e. Globe minus US, Canada, Europe,
China, etc...) rather than adding markets (US plus Canada plus Europe plus
Kenya).

I think they would see very quickly that there are actually people moving
around alot and that the demand for something like Chinese content in East
Africa is non-zero.  Finding all of those combinations is not reasonable
though which is why having the default license be global would really help
make local content more available.

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  I suspect they'd disagree
>
>
>
> Have a look at the licensing deals for any mainstream TV show or movie
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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> -------------------------------
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> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Nelson [mailto:adam at varud.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:36 AM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight
> *Cc:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan
> Chalmers
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Michele,
>
>
>
> The content owners don't make more money with these rules, they simply
> lose money.  Kenya is a country where it's so impossible to pay for content
> that it's virtually all stolen.  That can't be good for rights holders.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
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From kende at isoc.org  Wed Jul 23 07:35:47 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ? I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
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Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From michele at blacknight.com  Wed Jul 23 07:41:51 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:41:51 +0000
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Michael

There's also the matter of payment methods ..
Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries ..
As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy ringtones as far as I know
And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist

As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple doesn't.

Regards

Michele


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Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course - I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io<http://kili.io/>
Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to 'bring it home'.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues - so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues - whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube - that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 07:47:23 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:47:23 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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Apple doesn't restrict by IP but it's starting to.  For instance, I used to
watch PBS (America's BBC) via AppleTV but now that app simply doesn't work.


iTunes streaming still works but due to technical limitations not always.
 It appears that their authentication layer is still all in the US so even
though they use Akamai for distribution, I can't reliably authenticate to
the service before timeout and therefore have to torrent some content
instead of being able to pay for it through iTunes.

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Michael
>
>
>
> There's also the matter of payment methods ..
>
> Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a
> couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries
> ..
>
> As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to
> the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy
> ringtones as far as I know
>
> And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist
>
>
>
> As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple
> doesn't.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
>
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet
> Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between
> countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the
> availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books,
> etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of
> countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only
> available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ?
> I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google
> availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the
> data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have
> all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is
> available on our website.
>
> I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing
> issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
> *To: *Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org
> <bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
>   _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
>
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>
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>
>
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From kende at isoc.org  Wed Jul 23 07:47:53 2014
From: kende at isoc.org (Michael Kende)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 11:47:53 +0000
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Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions on PayPal.
Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay, and I am not sure if they still do that.
As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case, with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
Michael

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michael

There's also the matter of payment methods ..
Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries ..
As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy ringtones as far as I know
And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist

As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple doesn't.

Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ? I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io<http://kili.io/>
Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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Michael

The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by non-local companies and local ones.

Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue

Regards

Michele
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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions on PayPal.
Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay, and I am not sure if they still do that.
As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case, with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in the world - that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card in the US (or off the US website) as well....
Michael

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michael

There's also the matter of payment methods ..
Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries ..
As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy ringtones as far as I know
And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist

As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple doesn't.

Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
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Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course - I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

--
Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io<http://kili.io/>
Musings: twitter.com/varud<https://twitter.com/varud>
More Musings: varud.com<http://varud.com>
About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson<https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson>

On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to 'bring it home'.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues - so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues - whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube - that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com<http://www.susanchalmers.com>
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 07:55:06 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:55:06 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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I believe Apple uses credit card address vs IP in order to maximize the
number of people who can pay.  It's the content owners who say where
content can be sold and it's in the distributor's interest to push that
definition to the limit.  I'm allowed to use my US credit card and postal
address as keys to access the US iTunes store and therefore Apple earns
about $25/month from me.  If they restricted by IP, they would lose that
income.  They are using the most permissive definitions of place that they
can get away with in order to maximize revenue.

-Adam

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Michael
>
>
>
> The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by
> non-local companies and local ones.
>
>
>
> Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
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> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
>
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in
> Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions
> on PayPal.
>
> Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile
> operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay,
> and I am not sure if they still do that.
>
> As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit
> card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case,
> with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in
> the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to
> Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card
> in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
> *To: *Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>,
> "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> There's also the matter of payment methods ..
>
> Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a
> couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries
> ..
>
> As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to
> the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy
> ringtones as far as I know
>
> And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist
>
>
>
> As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple
> doesn't.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org <kende at isoc.org>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet
> Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between
> countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the
> availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books,
> etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of
> countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only
> available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ?
> I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google
> availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the
> data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have
> all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is
> available on our website.
>
> I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing
> issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
> *To: *Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org
> <bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
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>
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>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
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From glenn.deen at nbcuni.com  Wed Jul 23 08:28:25 2014
From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:28:25 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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The issue isn't the license itself, it's the availability of a distributor who wants to distribute to the market.   The distributor would acquire any needed license when they acquire the product to distribute.

Most content creators don't often distribute directly to viewers. They rely upon distributors - Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, Google Play and others for a number of reasons including:

- the technical infrastructure needed , as is being called out in our discussion

- the need to provide customer service in the local language

- compliance with local laws and tax

- local marketing

- support for local currency and payment methods

A real problem in fact is that there are small local markets that don't have any distributor who want to acquire the rights to sell to the local  market.   A global license doesn't solve the above requirements which require investment by a distributor.   This isn't too different from a distribute and retailer selling breakfast cereal. They need warehouse space, a store front for customers to visit, customer service , ways to handle payment and ways to pay whatever taxes are required on their business actions.

if you make a product you depend on a distributor to get it into the hands of consumers, and the more paying consumers the better so it's in the producers interest to have their product widely consumed.  It's the existence of a distributor who is willing to invest in the product delivery infrastructure and who will invest in acquiring the product from the producer.

Of course the local market must also permit the distributor to operate there. Meaning that it will support the distributor making a profit so that they can afford to recoup their investment and to see value in reinvestment into expanding the support infrastructure for the local market.

In our digital world as others here have highlighted this means things like in country caches and CDNs and for distributors like iTunes and google play to enter the local market.

On the Internet one barrier the new companies who wish to go into business as digital distributors is access to affordable distribution infrastructure and open standards based off the shelf technology that can do the needed delivery at scale.  If you look at the successful distributors they've invested a lot of R&D money on inventing and building the technical infrastructure they need.

-Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 23, 2014, at 6:49 AM, "Adam Nelson" <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>> wrote:

Maybe Glenn can give some insight.

Anyway, I think the content owners would make more money on the long tail both with local and global content by moving to a policy of carving big markets out of the global market (i.e. Globe minus US, Canada, Europe, China, etc...) rather than adding markets (US plus Canada plus Europe plus Kenya).

I think they would see very quickly that there are actually people moving around alot and that the demand for something like Chinese content in East Africa is non-zero.  Finding all of those combinations is not reasonable though which is why having the default license be global would really help make local content more available.

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
I suspect they'd disagree

Have a look at the licensing deals for any mainstream TV show or movie

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From: Adam Nelson [mailto:adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 11:36 AM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight
Cc: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal); bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers

Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michele,

The content owners don't make more money with these rules, they simply lose money.  Kenya is a country where it's so impossible to pay for content that it's virtually all stolen.  That can't be good for rights holders.

-Adam

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

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From: glenn.deen at nbcuni.com (Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal))
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 12:31:25 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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Payment also limits the ability for a local creator and local distributor to also sell to the global market.  They need to be able to get payment from their global customers.

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On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:54 AM, "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:

Michael

The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by non-local companies and local ones.

Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue

Regards

Michele
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From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions on PayPal.
Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay, and I am not sure if they still do that.
As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case, with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
Michael

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michael

There's also the matter of payment methods ..
Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries ..
As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy ringtones as far as I know
And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist

As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple doesn't.

Regards

Michele


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From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ? I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

--
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Consultant, Internet Policy

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From michele at blacknight.com  Wed Jul 23 08:38:58 2014
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Yes, of course

I recall when we first started out that getting a merchant account from a bank was really hard, so we used a "reseller"
While we could take payment using Visa etc., we were paying high fees and had to wait several weeks before we got the money into our own account
In terms of the company's growth etc., this was  a huge issue and impacted our ability to grow, as our cashflow was severely hampered.

I suspect it's very similar in many other markets

Regards

Michele


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From: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) [mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 1:31 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight
Cc: Michael Kende; Adam Nelson; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Payment also limits the ability for a local creator and local distributor to also sell to the global market.  They need to be able to get payment from their global customers.

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:54 AM, "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>> wrote:
Michael

The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by non-local companies and local ones.

Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue

Regards

Michele
--
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Blacknight Solutions
Hosting, Colocation & Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
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From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions on PayPal.
Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay, and I am not sure if they still do that.
As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case, with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
Michael

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
To: Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Michael

There's also the matter of payment methods ..
Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries ..
As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy ringtones as far as I know
And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist

As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple doesn't.

Regards

Michele


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From: Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Hello,
On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books, etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ? I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is available on our website.
I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
Best,
Michael

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From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
To: Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com<mailto:adam at varud.com>>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>>
Cc: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Adam

The licensing issue is a pain.

I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just digital ..

But I know what you mean ..

We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg. Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the US and UK.


Regards

Michele


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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Adam Nelson
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
To: Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>; Susan Chalmers
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life easier, I'll break them into sections:

------Technical Infrastructure---------
I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting solutions.


-----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to which ones do not.

I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.

The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.

Cheers,
Adam

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On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com<mailto:glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>> wrote:
Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of technical barriers  ?

This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location, date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the search engines that users will use to find the local content.

Regards
Glenn

Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections

On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org<mailto:kende at isoc.org>> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting, content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage, and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments, based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this) there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be true.
One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers are addressing the needs of the local providers.
I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
Thanks
Michael

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
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From adam at varud.com  Wed Jul 23 08:39:03 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:39:03 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
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Let's not overthink the language or payment component.  Kenya is an English
speaking country (Swahili too but nobody is watching American movies
translated into Swahili) and people with money have Visa and Mastercard
cards.

The two biggest issues are regulatory and technical infrastructure.

Just as a thought experiment, how would one go about licensing American
movies/TV for Kenya so that they could be streamed legally?  I kind of just
realized that I could set up a local Netflix and the only missing component
is how to actually become a distributor since nobody else is serving the
market properly :-/

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On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:

>  Payment also limits the ability for a local creator and local
> distributor to also sell to the global market.  They need to be able to get
> payment from their global customers.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:54 AM, "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>   Michael
>
>
>
> The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by
> non-local companies and local ones.
>
>
>
> Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
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> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org <kende at isoc.org>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in
> Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions
> on PayPal.
>
> Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile
> operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay,
> and I am not sure if they still do that.
>
> As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit
> card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case,
> with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in
> the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to
> Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card
> in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
> *To: *Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>,
> "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> There's also the matter of payment methods ..
>
> Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a
> couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries
> ..
>
> As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to
> the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy
> ringtones as far as I know
>
> And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist
>
>
>
> As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple
> doesn't.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org <kende at isoc.org>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet
> Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between
> countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the
> availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books,
> etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of
> countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only
> available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ?
> I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google
> availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the
> data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have
> all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is
> available on our website.
>
> I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing
> issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
> *To: *Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org
> <bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 13:25:04 -0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33
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Greetings all,


Look at for my thinking of local content and add your comment on that.


Jemal Brahim 

NGL 2012

ISOC Chapter Mauritania

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part de Blackler, Ellen M.
Envoy??: lundi 21 juillet 2014 20:21
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Objet?: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 33

Greetings all - Thank you for the summary Susan (and thank you Baya for the
tutorial on opening attachments!) 

I have made a few comments in the document, as follows:

1.  Can we expand the reasons that we would like to see more content to also
include something along the lines of enhancing and preserving the cultural
life of communities? 

2.  In addition to the three areas we have in the chart, I think we should
consider looking at sustainable business models and funding.  I am thinking
of business models that support ongoing content creation such as
advertising, subscription or direct purchase, and funding for public
projects.  I think this applies to both professional and UGC content.  It
may be that this can be fit into the chart as is, but I think it might
benefit from being its own row as it would stimulate thinking about the
barriers to and opportunities for  creating sustainable models to fund
continued production and dissemination?

Best, Ellen


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From: baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Cc: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
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Hi Dear Susan, Dear All,
[Please see below to read my comments]

Le 20/07/2014 22:28, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Regional Specificities (Susan Chalmers)
>   2. Summary of section 1 (Susan Chalmers)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 17:27:58 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers<susan at susanchalmers.com> 
> To:"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
> 	<bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 1
> Message-ID:
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> Greetings all,

Thanks Dear Susan,

>
> Please find attached a draft summary of our discussion on defining the 
> issue. As discussed on the call, one page is dedicated to framing the 
> issue, and one page is dedicated to defining "local content."

I read it ; then I propose some ameliorations to your attention.
  Please see attached my revision [_Rv01] in the file initially named   
"LocalContent1of8.docx".

>
> This summary is prepared for the consultants who will be working to 
> summarise this discussion at the IGF secretariat.
>
> Warm regards,
> Susan
>
> -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101   
> www.susanchalmers.com

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FYA, all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the   
previous attached document you can do as follow :
FYA, Y'all those who, as me, have experienced an issue to download the
  previous attached document you can do as follow :
(i) Download the attached file with .bin extension by following the   
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Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> ;
(v) Hope it'll be helpfull to some of you :-) regards, --sb.

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From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com  Wed Jul 23 09:42:47 2014
From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji)
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 14:42:47 +0100
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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Hello Michele and all,

You are right about payment method being a possible restriction. Paypal for
instance has been restricted for so long in Nigeria and was recently opened
up to start receiving registration/payment from Nigeria. My believe is that
any business organisation that is trying to restrict access to its services
will only have themselves to blame in this digital age. When paypal rolled
out in Nigeria, my first response to them was: too-late! Because in the
Nigeria of today, there are several other payment options that has been
introduced so paypal coming now will only be competing with those other
payment options.

On the point raised by Adam on restriction of access to content by
geographic location, i think that is very valid as i know there are certain
sites that usually throw such banner at me ;) Using the movie industry as
an example, i think their licensing thing goes beyond the internet policy
realm. For instance the "half of a yellow sun" movie received license in
USA earlier than the time it received license in Nigeria (which is the home
country of the writer) in such senerio it will be illegal for half of the
yellow sun to shot its video locally even though it already got license in
the US. So yes if there can be something like a global license, maybe
things will be a little easier for end-user however i don't think things
will be an immediate fun for owners of the content as the revenue may not
all end up in their purse. Nevertheless there is a business strategy that
says "numbers could count"; so in the long run reaching more people could
help the patient producers themselves. I have once asked a local musician,
what she felt about people pirating her content. Her response: Its painful
but at the same time its helpful because through that people know me and
they invite me for other things. She makes more money from special
performances than from her normal album.

Speaking about technical side of content, especially in relation to
caching, i am a fan of it and i think google caching efforts has really
improved access to google services (which is business to them ofcourse) in
Africa. However even though those caching is happening and improving at IX,
it does not improve the livelihood of internet users, instead it has made
their data limit get exhausted faster. I would expect that as google run
its cached content, service provider will also allow such content to be
accessed free or at least they will increase their data size. For example
here in Nigeria it cost 50USD for a 7.5gb data on MTN, by the time a user
stream a few youtube that gets exhausted, so as cached content increase,
the cost of accessing those content should also be lowered for the users.

All for now

Cheers!


On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Michael
>
>
>
> The payment issue also impacts both the supply of content and services by
> non-local companies and local ones.
>
>
>
> Being able to sell (and buy) easily online is an issue
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:48 PM
>
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Thanks Michele, that is an excellent point.  We came across the issue in
> Rwanda as well and I am not sure what the source is of these restrictions
> on PayPal.
>
> Although in the US, at least initially, Google would bill via the mobile
> operator, but I suppose that is for contract subscribers, and not pre-pay,
> and I am not sure if they still do that.
>
> As it turns out, Apple enforces restrictions by the country of the credit
> card, as opposed to IPs. I am not sure why that is the case.   In any case,
> with a US credit card, you have access to all the US content anywhere in
> the world ? that is what we started to do when we moved from the US to
> Switzerland.  I believe that this works if you buy a pre-paid iTunes card
> in the US (or off the US website) as well?.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:41
> *To: *Michael Kende <kende at isoc.org>, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>,
> "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *RE: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> There's also the matter of payment methods ..
>
> Paypal, for example, wasn't available in Serbia or Montenegro up until a
> couple of months ago and probably isn't available in many other countries
> ..
>
> As for itunes - logging into an Irish iTunes account is very different to
> the experience you get with a US one. With an Irish one I can't even buy
> ringtones as far as I know
>
> And forget about tv - it simply doesn't exist
>
>
>
> As a sidenote, however, Google enforces restrictions using IPs, Apple
> doesn't.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Michael Kende [mailto:kende at isoc.org <kende at isoc.org>]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 12:36 PM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Adam Nelson; Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> On this point, in June we released our first annual Global Internet
> Report, and in one section looked at differences in user experience between
> countries.  To highlight differences in licensing, we looked at the
> availability of the six types of Google Play content (apps, movies, books,
> etc.) by country, to show the following below.  For starters, only 66% of
> countries had access even to Apps, many of the other categories were only
> available in a few countries.  This is not to focus on Google, of course ?
> I believe that iTunes had similar availability issues, and the Google
> availability is increasing quickly, even since we started gathering the
> data.  In the report there is also a heat map, showing which countries have
> all six types of content, then five, then four, etc.  The full report is
> available on our website.
>
> I will leave my colleague Konstantinos to comment further on the licensing
> issues, as this is one of his areas of expertise.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday 23 July 2014 11:57
> *To: *Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com>, "Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)" <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com>
> *Cc: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>,
> Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> The licensing issue is a pain.
>
>
>
> I can't see it changing any time soon, as the media companies still make a
> LOT of money from selling the rights in various markets ..
>
> The funniest one I've run into is where t-shirts and other goods weren't
> available to me here in Ireland due to licensing :) So it's not just
> digital ..
>
>
>
> But I know what you mean ..
>
>
>
> We all see stories in the media about new products / services etc., being
> launched that allow for cheap (inexpensive) legal consumption of media eg.
> Kindle unlimited, but rarely are these services made available outside the
> US and UK.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org
> <bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org>] *On Behalf Of *Adam Nelson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:13 AM
> *To:* Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal)
> *Cc:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
> *Subject:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> I'd like to jump in here and make a few points.  To make Susan's life
> easier, I'll break them into sections:
>
>
>
> ------Technical Infrastructure---------
>
> I'd like to second Michael's statements.  I'm the founder of a cloud
> infrastructure startup in Nairobi (i.e. hosting) and we're just now getting
> off the ground.  Aside from us and one other company which started last
> year as well, there is no modern local hosting capacity for Internet-facing
> services in all of East Africa.  Virtually all content consumed by Kenyans
> is hosted abroad.  This isn't just an academic issue - the Internet is
> literally slower here because of the distance all that data has to travel.
>  Aside from Google which has a POP on the coast, most streaming video
> doesn't work properly - it's a real problem not just for local content
> consumers, but also for local content producers.  A major hurdle to the
> production and dissemination of local content is the lack of local hosting
> solutions.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Regulatory Infrastructure---------
>
> I'm going to spin this one on its head.  I'm an American living in Kenya.
>  Local content to me includes both content for Kenyans (because I live
> here) but also American content for Americans (because that's my identity
> and I enjoy American content).  Ironically, most American content is
> unavailable here or can only be gotten by technical deception (vpn) or
> outright theft (torrent).  I think the issue here is that the licensing
> environment defines which countries have access to content as opposed to
> which ones do not.
>
>
>
> I would love somebody to clarify whether this is the case but it seems to
> me that when content is produced, it is licensed to distributors based on
> blocks of countries and therefore, most content isn't available in smaller
> markets at all.  This drives piracy but also makes certain content
> unavailable by any means.  For instance, 'Nairobi Half Life' is a great
> Kenyan movie and can be gotten either on the street for $1 on DVD or
> torrent, but nowhere else.  When distributed properly by an entity like
> iTunes, the rights to the movie may not even be available in Kenya.
>
>
>
> The solution I would like to see to this would be to make all content
> default to a global license.  Then, rightsholders could 'exclude' certain
> regions from the global license in order to maximize their income.  In this
> scenario, a movie made by a US company would get a global license as soon
> as it hits broad distribution but there would be carve outs for major
> markets like the US or Europe or China (or all of them) in order to get
> proper distribution.  This would allow local content producers using
> foreign channels to re-access local content consumers in smaller markets.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam
>
>
>    --
>
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
>
> More Musings: varud.com
>
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Deen, Glenn (NBCUniversal) <
> glenn.deen at nbcuni.com> wrote:
>
> Should local language search and metadata be added to the list of
> technical barriers  ?
>
>
>
> This is the question of metadata which describe the content - simple
> things like title and author, but richer fields like description, location,
> date, other related content etc - and what fields will be in the local
> language , what fields will be in english(because a lots of metadata is in
> English so that search engines can ingest easily) and where it might be
> possible to have fields that support multiple languages to be
> simultaneously present in the metadata, and for both to be ingested by the
> search engines that users will use to find the local content.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Glenn
>
>
> Sent from my iPad, please forgive any tpyos or auto connections
>
>
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 2:40 AM, "Michael Kende" <kende at isoc.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi Susan,
>
> Many thanks again.  I will focus here for the most part on the technical
> infrastructure issues, for which I would include data centers, hosting,
> content delivery networks, and IXPs.  At one level, there are no
> impediments, as someone developing local content has access to very
> inexpensive hosting offers in the US, Europe, and elsewhere, enabling them
> to make their content available globally, particularly to expats from their
> country as well as locally within their country and region.  However, as
> discussed elsewhere, this access will be slow and require expensive
> international capacity to ?bring it home?.  This will in turn limit usage,
> and my hypothesis is that it would impact the amount of new local content
> that is developed as there is no large market, or interest, in local
> content given the cost and latency.  We will try our part in testing this
> hypothesis, and would be interested in other thoughts on the subject.
>
> At the local level, there clearly are impediments to the technical
> infrastructure, both actual and perceived.  In terms of actual impediments,
> based on my experience (unfortunately I do not know of any data on this)
> there may either be no data centers for hosting, or they are owned by the
> ISPs and thus not neutral.  There may also be frequent power outages.
>  Further, the pricing may be very high, based on high costs (e.g. For
> power) and/or low scale.  On the other hand, there also seems to be a
> perception about low quality (in terms of security) which may or may not be
> true.
>
> One initiative to take would be to bring together the industry, convened
> either by an industry body or by government, to address perceptions and
> then the remaining actual issues ? so for instance, discuss security issues
> (during the one we held in Rwanda someone told a story of their US hosting
> company crashing and wiping out most of their data, while no one had a bad
> experience with a local company), and pricing issues ? whether the offers
> are addressing the needs of the local providers.
>
> I heard of such a meeting in Nigeria, where an owner of a Nigerian video
> streaming company, hosted in London, complained that no one in Nigeria
> could reliably stream his movies from his site, and could not understand
> why the same movies could be watched from YouTube ? that is where he
> learned about the Google local cache and the impact of the IXP, and focused
> on putting in his own server to increase his local market.
>
> Governments that host their own data locally also may help to create a
> local industry.   We would be interested in learning more about other
> initiatives that may have been taken elsewhere to address this issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 23:32
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
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>
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From sechele at BOCRA.ORG.BW  Thu Jul 24 02:39:59 2014
From: sechele at BOCRA.ORG.BW (Meshingo Sechele)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 06:39:59 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFF66BE7.9C1A%sechele@bocra.org.bw>

Greetings everyone, I am Meshingo Sechele from Botswana.

I would like to make my contributions to this week's discussions and thank you Susan for  the summary of last week's discussions.

Area 1:  Human Capacity
Human capacity is a major component for the creation of local content. As a country which is about to implements its National Broadband Strategy, lack of local component is a major concern to the utilisation of broadband services and could also be attributed to the low internet penetration rate and there is no relevant content available online that people could relate to. There is need to have people with the right skills to develop content including bring the indigenous knowledge online and online applications.  In Botswana, there are a lot of ICT  trained graduates (software developers/engineers, computer science) whose skills are under-utilised and they could be the ones used for bring the local content online and develops applications relevant to various communities. These people are either unemployed or their skills under-utilised in the workplace due to a lot of outsourcing incorporated by companies hence their skills are never harvested. Lack of ICT  project incubators is also a major concern as there is no place where content developers' ideas can be nurtured to come into life.

Area 2: Technical Infrastructure
Countries should invest in the development of data centres that would be able to host local content such as e-Government, there should also be IXPs connecting national ISPs and interconnecting regionally with others. Botswana has invested in securing international bandwidth  capacity from the WACs and EASSY  as well as in the national backbone. However there are a lot of gaps in the access network which needs to be rectified, the access network is critical as it is the one that will bring internet carrying the relevant content to an end user's doorstep. All these components should be treated as a whole to ensure the content is delivered to the consumer. With a population of only 2 million people, Botswana is challenged in the sense that, with such a small population there could be no or minimal motive for Content Delivery Networks  to setup their networks in Botswana to bring the content that people want closer to home. Poor quality of service has remained a challenge despite access to sufficient international bandwidth capacity due to the location of content. However our local ISPs  are working round the clock to ensure they enter into agreement to interconnect with CDNs which are present in neighbouring countries.

Area 3: Legal Frameworks
It is important to have robot legal frameworks in place. This would spur local content development and lure international CDNs to bring content locally. Regulatory ICT  frameworks should promote for the creation of content.  National Broadband policies should support for local content development as one of the demand side initiatives. Universal Access and Service policies should promote for the development of local content and this should be funded and supported by the Universal Access and Service Funds. Delays in enactment of laws or policies in relation to copyright, data protection, e-Government Strategies are some of the issues which have an impact on content development particularly in the case of Botswana.
High Internet prices has also remained an impediment to use of the internet or access to content. There is need to ensure that once the content is created it should be available to consumers at affordable prices. In  that regard, regulatory bodies should work round the clock to ensure content developers are subsidised in creation of content and at the same time ensure prices are not prohibitive for accessing the relevant services required.  I would like to agree with Seun on the issue regarding cached content that it should be available for free for consumers or there should be a level of visible cost saving to the consumer.

Regards

Meshingo

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com<mailto:susan at susanchalmers.com>>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 11:32 PM
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org<mailto:bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments

Greetings all,

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please note measures and initiatives under these categories:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

Many thanks!

Sincerely,
Susan

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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
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From migiraldo at cable.net.co  Thu Jul 24 11:33:56 2014
From: migiraldo at cable.net.co (Martha Giraldo)
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
	initiatives, impediments
In-Reply-To: <CFF66BE7.9C1A%sechele@bocra.org.bw>
References: <CACRQNJ7H-M5KZfv_vod32HjzsRuS_G+27Xn9QDifwNfyu1k_3A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CFF66BE7.9C1A%sechele@bocra.org.bw>
Message-ID: <001e01cfa754$b2323500$16969f00$@net.co>

Hello all,

 

Contributing to AREA 2 :infrastructure, I would like to bring up the
following question or key point.

Knowing that Internet turns to be a huge ocean which grows exponentially in
amount of data, information, contents  ,
 , what would be needed to help
people fishing the information they need?  How to assure local people have
access to the information they need, not only commercial?. Is it about
developing new ?social driven? search algorithms? Is it about recommending
country policies for developing applications (portals)  with links to the
local information? Is it about increasing local hosting capacities as
Meshingo suggests? Is it about the metadata associated to the content? A
policy over the internet? A mixture of the previous ones? Or something else?

May we advance on agreeing a basic recommendation for this ?Access to local
contents? point?  What do you think? 

Note: Public libraries are perfect places for the appropriation process
(local content retrieval and giving support for it?s development) but they
still face the same fishing problem. 

 

Regards,

 

Martha Giraldo

Colombia

 

 

De: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] En
nombre de Meshingo Sechele
Enviado el: jueves, 24 de julio de 2014 01:40 a.m.
Para: Susan Chalmers; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Asunto: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
initiatives, impediments

 

Greetings everyone, I am Meshingo Sechele from Botswana.

 

I would like to make my contributions to this week's discussions and thank
you Susan for  the summary of last week's discussions.

 

Area 1:  Human Capacity

Human capacity is a major component for the creation of local content. As a
country which is about to implements its National Broadband Strategy, lack
of local component is a major concern to the utilisation of broadband
services and could also be attributed to the low internet penetration rate
and there is no relevant content available online that people could relate
to. There is need to have people with the right skills to develop content
including bring the indigenous knowledge online and online applications.  In
Botswana, there are a lot of ICT  trained graduates (software
developers/engineers, computer science) whose skills are under-utilised and
they could be the ones used for bring the local content online and develops
applications relevant to various communities. These people are either
unemployed or their skills under-utilised in the workplace due to a lot of
outsourcing incorporated by companies hence their skills are never
harvested. Lack of ICT  project incubators is also a major concern as there
is no place where content developers' ideas can be nurtured to come into
life.

 

Area 2: Technical Infrastructure

Countries should invest in the development of data centres that would be
able to host local content such as e-Government, there should also be IXPs
connecting national ISPs and interconnecting regionally with others.
Botswana has invested in securing international bandwidth  capacity from the
WACs and EASSY  as well as in the national backbone. However there are a lot
of gaps in the access network which needs to be rectified, the access
network is critical as it is the one that will bring internet carrying the
relevant content to an end user's doorstep. All these components should be
treated as a whole to ensure the content is delivered to the consumer. With
a population of only 2 million people, Botswana is challenged in the sense
that, with such a small population there could be no or minimal motive for
Content Delivery Networks  to setup their networks in Botswana to bring the
content that people want closer to home. Poor quality of service has
remained a challenge despite access to sufficient international bandwidth
capacity due to the location of content. However our local ISPs  are working
round the clock to ensure they enter into agreement to interconnect with
CDNs which are present in neighbouring countries.

 

Area 3: Legal Frameworks

It is important to have robot legal frameworks in place. This would spur
local content development and lure international CDNs to bring content
locally. Regulatory ICT  frameworks should promote for the creation of
content.  National Broadband policies should support for local content
development as one of the demand side initiatives. Universal Access and
Service policies should promote for the development of local content and
this should be funded and supported by the Universal Access and Service
Funds. Delays in enactment of laws or policies in relation to copyright,
data protection, e-Government Strategies are some of the issues which have
an impact on content development particularly in the case of Botswana. 

High Internet prices has also remained an impediment to use of the internet
or access to content. There is need to ensure that once the content is
created it should be available to consumers at affordable prices. In  that
regard, regulatory bodies should work round the clock to ensure content
developers are subsidised in creation of content and at the same time ensure
prices are not prohibitive for accessing the relevant services required.  I
would like to agree with Seun on the issue regarding cached content that it
should be available for free for consumers or there should be a level of
visible cost saving to the consumer.

 

Regards

 

Meshingo

 

From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
Date: Sunday 20 July 2014 11:32 PM
To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
initiatives, impediments

 

Greetings all, 

 

It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures and
private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content.

 

I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted, and
invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example, please
note measures and initiatives under these categories:

 

Area 1 - Human Capacities

Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure

Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

 

Many thanks!

 

Sincerely,

Susan


 

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Consultant, Internet Policy

 

+1 269 324 4101

www.susanchalmers.com





















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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Fri Jul 25 12:01:20 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 12:01:20 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ7qnWJ0keLmAGDkiXS3L7kSmnLVvpaaWqxh=f=vxZDTaA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings everyone,

Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
specificities.

As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
in toto before the IGF.

I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition
regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.

Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
few days.

Sincerely,
Susan

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From michele at blacknight.com  Fri Jul 25 12:04:33 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 16:04:33 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ7qnWJ0keLmAGDkiXS3L7kSmnLVvpaaWqxh=f=vxZDTaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7qnWJ0keLmAGDkiXS3L7kSmnLVvpaaWqxh=f=vxZDTaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39994E66F@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>

Susan

Copyright is an interesting one ..

In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use" - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which isn't quite the same thing.
We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation - essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than actually fight it

Regards

Michele


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From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Susan Chalmers
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
To: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2

Greetings everyone,

Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional specificities.

As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further contributions to this document to the consultants working with the Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document in toto before the IGF.

I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.

Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming few days.

Sincerely,
Susan

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From adam at varud.com  Mon Jul 28 04:41:38 2014
From: adam at varud.com (Adam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:41:38 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39994E66F@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
References: <CACRQNJ7qnWJ0keLmAGDkiXS3L7kSmnLVvpaaWqxh=f=vxZDTaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39994E66F@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
Message-ID: <CAGTm15=64MMbe+AkHb5Tabp7eAsRZ_qFgBJDubFdscge5Z16=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Susan,

It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.  We
discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local content
where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make the local
content available via standard distribution channels (i.e. the movie
Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).

-Adam

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

>  Susan
>
>
>
> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>
>
>
> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use" - I
> think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which isn't quite
> the same thing.
>
> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End result
> being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than actually
> fight it
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Michele
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie
> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
>
>
> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Susan Chalmers
> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>
>
>
> Greetings everyone,
>
>
>
> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
> specificities.
>
>
>
> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
> in toto before the IGF.
>
>
>
> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
> thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition
> regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
> example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
>
>
>
> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
> few days.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
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>
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Mon Jul 28 11:07:40 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2014 11:07:40 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <CAGTm15=64MMbe+AkHb5Tabp7eAsRZ_qFgBJDubFdscge5Z16=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACRQNJ7qnWJ0keLmAGDkiXS3L7kSmnLVvpaaWqxh=f=vxZDTaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39994E66F@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
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Message-ID: <CACRQNJ7+XMbLMUhae=R6BH2SUGs9z6mD7m5_4c+OZ856sJ4rZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Adam,

I'm currently working through section 3 - existing policy measures and
private sector initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll add
it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.

Please let me know if this isn't clear.

Best,
Susan


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:

> Susan,
>
> It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.  We
> discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local content
> where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make the local
> content available via standard distribution channels (i.e. the movie
> Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
>
> -Adam
>
> --
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
> More Musings: varud.com
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>>  Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>>
>>
>>
>> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use" - I
>> think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which isn't quite
>> the same thing.
>>
>> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
>> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
>> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End result
>> being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than actually
>> fight it
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> http://www.technology.ie
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> Park,Sleaty
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Susan Chalmers
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
>> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
>> specificities.
>>
>>
>>
>> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
>> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
>> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
>> in toto before the IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
>> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
>> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
>> thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition
>> regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
>> example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
>> few days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Susan Chalmers
>>
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 269 324 4101
>>
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>>
>>
>


-- 
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
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From dg_cameron at bigpond.com  Mon Jul 28 23:33:17 2014
From: dg_cameron at bigpond.com (Don Cameron)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:33:17 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
Message-ID: <6038925.7971.1406604797744.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba04-app>

Hi Susan,

If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored in personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet to properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has commenced porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a 'better service for our customers'.

What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means all Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a response from Bigpond on the issue.
 
Don


------------------------------------------
From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
To: adam at varud.com;
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
Hi Adam,
I'm currently working through section 3 - existing policy measures and
private sector initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll add
it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
Please let me know if this isn't clear.
Best,
Susan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
> Susan,
>
> It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here. We
> discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local content
> where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make the local
> content available via standard distribution channels (i.e. the movie
> Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
>
> -Adam
>
> --
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud>
> More Musings: varud.com
> About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>>
>>
>>
>> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use" - I
>> think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which isn't quite
>> the same thing.
>>
>> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
>> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
>> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End result
>> being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than actually
>> fight it
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> http://www.technology.ie
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> Park,Sleaty
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Susan Chalmers
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
>> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
>> specificities.
>>
>>
>>
>> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
>> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
>> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
>> in toto before the IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
>> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
>> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
>> thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition
>> regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
>> example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
>> few days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Susan Chalmers
>>
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 269 324 4101
>>
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>>
>>
>
--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy
+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org



From michele at blacknight.com  Tue Jul 29 04:51:37 2014
From: michele at blacknight.com (Michele Neylon - Blacknight)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 08:51:37 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <6038925.7971.1406604797744.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba04-app>
References: <6038925.7971.1406604797744.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba04-app>
Message-ID: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39996A58C@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>

Related to this, there's an ongoing court case involving Microsoft and user data stored on their servers in Ireland:

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server

The article above is a couple of months old, but the court case is still ongoing 

Regards

Michele

--
Mr Michele Neylon
Blacknight Solutions
Hosting & Colocation, Domains
http://www.blacknight.co/
http://blog.blacknight.com/
http://www.technology.ie/
Intl. +353 (0) 59  9183072
Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
-------------------------------
Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845

-----Original Message-----
From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On Behalf Of Don Cameron
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:33 AM
To: susan at susanchalmers.com
Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2

Hi Susan,

If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored in personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet to properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has commenced porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a 'better service for our customers'.

What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means all Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a response from Bigpond on the issue.
 
Don


------------------------------------------
From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
To: adam at varud.com;
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2 Hi Adam, I'm currently working through section 3 - existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll add it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
Please let me know if this isn't clear.
Best,
Susan
On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
> Susan,
>
> It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here. 
> We discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local 
> content where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make 
> the local content available via standard distribution channels (i.e. 
> the movie Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
>
> -Adam
>
> --
> Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings: 
> varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight < 
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>>
>>
>>
>> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use" 
>> - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which 
>> isn't quite the same thing.
>>
>> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation - 
>> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the 
>> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End 
>> result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than 
>> actually fight it
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> http://www.technology.ie
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business 
>> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bp_localcontent 
>> [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan 
>> Chalmers
>> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
>> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on 
>> regional specificities.
>>
>>
>>
>> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further 
>> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the 
>> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the 
>> document in toto before the IGF.
>>
>>
>>
>> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical 
>> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any 
>> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. 
>> I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local 
>> competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright 
>> legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the 
>> coming few days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Susan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Susan Chalmers
>>
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>>
>>
>>
>> +1 269 324 4101
>>
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfo
>> rum.org
>>
>>
>
--
Susan Chalmers
Consultant, Internet Policy
+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
_______________________________________________
Bp_localcontent mailing list
Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org

_______________________________________________
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Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org



From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Tue Jul 29 10:49:43 2014
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:49:43 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Next discussion: common effective practices,
 and unitended consequences
Message-ID: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E792CD@MFP02.IFLA.lan>

Hi everyone

I'm back from two weeks' holiday and am ready to talk local content once more. Specifically, I'm keen to move us forward with our schedule, and discuss the following two issues from our schedule:

4.     What worked well, identifying common effective practices 

5.     Unintended consequences of policy interventions, good and bad 

I've reviewed the recent exchanges on the list, and also the helpful summaries. I note that so far we have looked at regional specificities, as well as existing policy measures and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local content under the following three areas:

Area 1 - Human Capacities
Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
Area 3 - Legal Frameworks

I'm including them again here to again act as a guide as we move forward. Our next task is to identify what's worked well so far when it comes to the eventual creation of local content. What is common effective practice, where you come from? Is it possible to see, based on your input, if successful approaches have anything in common with each other? Have there been any unintended consequences, positive or negative, from the policy interventions that have been used to try to stimulate the production of local content in your country? 

The output from the discussions so far leads me to believe that we are in pretty good shape in terms of getting something to the consultants who will synthesise our discussions. I hope we can add some more quality information as we move through our discussion of effective practices and unintended consequences.

Looking forward to hearing from you all. 

Kind regards,

Stuart


Dr. Stuart Hamilton
Deputy Secretary General
International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)
P.O. Box 95312
2509 CH The Hague
Netherlands

00 31 70 314 0884

Twitter: @ifladpa







From Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org  Tue Jul 29 10:53:57 2014
From: Stuart.Hamilton at ifla.org (Stuart Hamilton)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:53:57 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Scheduling next group call - August 11 or 12
Message-ID: <43A796BFD05CCD49A3A513599E2C948E01E792F8@MFP02.IFLA.lan>

Hi everyone

We should schedule another call to discuss the next round of contributions. Please fill out the Doodle poll here as soon as you can - I have based the times around what seemed feasible for us last time.

http://doodle.com/ihvm839sqp3tfph8 

Kind regards,

Stuart


Dr. Stuart Hamilton
Deputy Secretary General
International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions (IFLA)
P.O. Box 95312
2509 CH The Hague
Netherlands

00 31 70 314 0884

Twitter: @ifladpa






From susan at susanchalmers.com  Tue Jul 29 12:36:22 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:36:22 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39996A58C@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
References: <6038925.7971.1406604797744.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba04-app>
	<D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39996A58C@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
Message-ID: <CACRQNJ4=Kbe=nKRH4zrXgaQGV-PH_6Zo7DFWGgVuPEDcyHZfQQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Don, Michele,

Relatedly, Telecom, New Zealand's largest ISP, outsources its email
services to Yahoo. There have been some security breaches, which led to
discussion within the community about local hosting of email.

Sincerely,
Susan

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11219060

*YAHOO XTRA EMAIL SECURITY UPDATE*

Yahoo has advised us that it is experiencing an email security threat,
which we have reason to believe may have compromised some Yahoo Xtra email
customers? accounts.  It appears that as a result of this threat, attempts
at unauthorised access of users? email accounts have been made.

At this stage we have no evidence that this account information has been
used and customers have not reported any issues.  However, as a
preventative measure, Yahoo will be blocking those accounts that they have
identified as compromised until the customer resets their password ? and so
re-secures their account.

Customers whose accounts have been blocked and who want guidance on how to
reset their passwords can find it at www.telecom.co.nz/emailpasswordchange.



*ENDS*



*For more information and images please contact:*

Lucy Fullarton

Media & PR Manager

Email: lucy.fullarton at telecom.co.nz

Mob: 021 070 6197



Holly Wilkinson

Communications Manager

Email: holly.wilkinson at telecom.co.nz

Mob: 027 519 2957




On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

> Related to this, there's an ongoing court case involving Microsoft and
> user data stored on their servers in Ireland:
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server
>
> The article above is a couple of months old, but the court case is still
> ongoing
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
> Blacknight Solutions
> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
> http://www.blacknight.co/
> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> http://www.technology.ie/
> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> -------------------------------
> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty
> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
> Behalf Of Don Cameron
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:33 AM
> To: susan at susanchalmers.com
> Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and
> corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored in
> personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet to
> properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has commenced
> porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned
> division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a 'better
> service for our customers'.
>
> What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means all
> Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be
> subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further
> information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a
> response from Bigpond on the issue.
>
> Don
>
>
> ------------------------------------------
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: adam at varud.com;
> CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2 Hi Adam, I'm currently
> working through section 3 - existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
> In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll add
> it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
> Please let me know if this isn't clear.
> Best,
> Susan
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
> > Susan,
> >
> > It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.
> > We discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local
> > content where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make
> > the local content available via standard distribution channels (i.e.
> > the movie Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> > --
> > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings:
> > varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> > michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Susan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Copyright is an interesting one ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use"
> >> - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which
> >> isn't quite the same thing.
> >>
> >> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
> >> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
> >> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End
> >> result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than
> >> actually fight it
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michele
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mr Michele Neylon
> >> Blacknight Solutions
> >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> >> http://www.blacknight.co/
> >> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> >> http://www.technology.ie
> >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
> >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> >> -------------------------------
> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> >> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Bp_localcontent
> >> [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan
> >> Chalmers
> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
> >> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings everyone,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on
> >> regional specificities.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
> >> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
> >> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the
> >> document in toto before the IGF.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
> >> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
> >> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape.
> >> I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local
> >> competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright
> >> legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the creation
> of local content.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the
> >> coming few days.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >>
> >> Susan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Susan Chalmers
> >>
> >> Consultant, Internet Policy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> +1 269 324 4101
> >>
> >> www.susanchalmers.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >>
> >> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfo
> >> rum.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>



-- 
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Consultant, Internet Policy

+1 269 324 4101
www.susanchalmers.com
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From Kivuva at transworldafrica.com  Tue Jul 29 13:10:06 2014
From: Kivuva at transworldafrica.com (Mwendwa Kivuva)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:10:06 +0300
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <CACRQNJ4=Kbe=nKRH4zrXgaQGV-PH_6Zo7DFWGgVuPEDcyHZfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEhPqwqHFtjQpUPbAE6gvwF96Ar2wQ258dt20Oy_jq+_nf+qRg@mail.gmail.com>

These security breaches boils up to capacity building and hiring the
right people. What is Outlook.com and Yahoo! doing differently to have
a better security setup than local companies?

In Kenya, the opposite is happening. All government hosted services
that are offshore are being relocated back home to ensure "better
security and monitoring". Of course the government will have a bigger
challenge in securing the services than when outsourcing. But again,
it means the amount of local content hosted within the country will
increase, and more jobs will be created.

On 29/07/2014, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> wrote:
> Greetings Don, Michele,
>
> Relatedly, Telecom, New Zealand's largest ISP, outsources its email
> services to Yahoo. There have been some security breaches, which led to
> discussion within the community about local hosting of email.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan
>
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11219060
>
> *YAHOO XTRA EMAIL SECURITY UPDATE*
>
> Yahoo has advised us that it is experiencing an email security threat,
> which we have reason to believe may have compromised some Yahoo Xtra email
> customers' accounts.  It appears that as a result of this threat, attempts
> at unauthorised access of users' email accounts have been made.
>
> At this stage we have no evidence that this account information has been
> used and customers have not reported any issues.  However, as a
> preventative measure, Yahoo will be blocking those accounts that they have
> identified as compromised until the customer resets their password - and so
> re-secures their account.
>
> Customers whose accounts have been blocked and who want guidance on how to
> reset their passwords can find it at www.telecom.co.nz/emailpasswordchange.
>
>
>
> *ENDS*
>
>
>
> *For more information and images please contact:*
>
> Lucy Fullarton
>
> Media & PR Manager
>
> Email: lucy.fullarton at telecom.co.nz
>
> Mob: 021 070 6197
>
>
>
> Holly Wilkinson
>
> Communications Manager
>
> Email: holly.wilkinson at telecom.co.nz
>
> Mob: 027 519 2957
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>> Related to this, there's an ongoing court case involving Microsoft and
>> user data stored on their servers in Ireland:
>>
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server
>>
>> The article above is a couple of months old, but the court case is still
>> ongoing
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
>> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> http://www.technology.ie/
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> Park,Sleaty
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
>> Behalf Of Don Cameron
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:33 AM
>> To: susan at susanchalmers.com
>> Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>> If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and
>> corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored
>> in
>> personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet
>> to
>> properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has commenced
>> porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned
>> division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a
>> 'better
>> service for our customers'.
>>
>> What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means
>> all
>> Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be
>> subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further
>> information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a
>> response from Bigpond on the issue.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
>> To: adam at varud.com;
>> CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2 Hi Adam, I'm
>> currently
>> working through section 3 - existing policy measures and private sector
>> initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
>> In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll
>> add
>> it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
>> Please let me know if this isn't clear.
>> Best,
>> Susan
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>> > Susan,
>> >
>> > It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.
>> > We discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local
>> > content where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make
>> > the local content available via standard distribution channels (i.e.
>> > the movie Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
>> >
>> > -Adam
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>> > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings:
>> > varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
>> > michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Susan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use"
>> >> - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which
>> >> isn't quite the same thing.
>> >>
>> >> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
>> >> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
>> >> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End
>> >> result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than
>> >> actually fight it
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michele
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mr Michele Neylon
>> >> Blacknight Solutions
>> >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> >> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> >> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> >> http://www.technology.ie
>> >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
>> >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> >> -------------------------------
>> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> >> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Bp_localcontent
>> >> [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan
>> >> Chalmers
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
>> >> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> >> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Greetings everyone,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on
>> >> regional specificities.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
>> >> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
>> >> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the
>> >> document in toto before the IGF.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
>> >> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
>> >> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape.
>> >> I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local
>> >> competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright
>> >> legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the creation
>> of local content.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the
>> >> coming few days.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Susan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Susan Chalmers
>> >>
>> >> Consultant, Internet Policy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> +1 269 324 4101
>> >>
>> >> www.susanchalmers.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> >>
>> >> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfo
>> >> rum.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> --
>> Susan Chalmers
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>> +1 269 324 4101
>> www.susanchalmers.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bp_localcontent mailing list
>> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>>
>> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Susan Chalmers
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101
> www.susanchalmers.com
>


-- 
______________________
Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya
twitter.com/lordmwesh

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You have to think anyway, so why not think big? - Donald Trump.
"You miss 100 percent of the shots you never take." - Wayne Gretzky.
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From pileleji at ymca.gm  Tue Jul 29 13:21:16 2014
From: pileleji at ymca.gm (Poncelet Ileleji)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:21:16 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
In-Reply-To: <CAEhPqwqHFtjQpUPbAE6gvwF96Ar2wQ258dt20Oy_jq+_nf+qRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6038925.7971.1406604797744.JavaMail.prodapps@nschwweba04-app>
	<D1AC4482BED7C04DAC43491E9A9DBEC39996A58C@BK-EXCHMBX01.blacknight.local>
	<CACRQNJ4=Kbe=nKRH4zrXgaQGV-PH_6Zo7DFWGgVuPEDcyHZfQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEhPqwqHFtjQpUPbAE6gvwF96Ar2wQ258dt20Oy_jq+_nf+qRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEux40swrXbiZAdQ-hmUzpsRV+CdS2Oe8ePUC=sVPmYc+dg5Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Colleagues,

The importance is to have local capacity backed up with required security
because at the end of the day no matter where the content is hosted and who
host it, if that security is not there it does not matter as breaches will
likely occur.  For me talking from a developing country stand point, we
need to develop the neccesary security in house to enable us to do  these
things properly, if not a lot of resources that could have gone to other
uses we go diwn the drain.  Hence required capacity building first and
foremost backed up with the right infastructure within our existing context
will do for a start.

Kind Regards

Poncelet




On 29 July 2014 17:10, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:

> These security breaches boils up to capacity building and hiring the
> right people. What is Outlook.com and Yahoo! doing differently to have
> a better security setup than local companies?
>
> In Kenya, the opposite is happening. All government hosted services
> that are offshore are being relocated back home to ensure "better
> security and monitoring". Of course the government will have a bigger
> challenge in securing the services than when outsourcing. But again,
> it means the amount of local content hosted within the country will
> increase, and more jobs will be created.
>
> On 29/07/2014, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> wrote:
> > Greetings Don, Michele,
> >
> > Relatedly, Telecom, New Zealand's largest ISP, outsources its email
> > services to Yahoo. There have been some security breaches, which led to
> > discussion within the community about local hosting of email.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Susan
> >
> >
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11219060
> >
> > *YAHOO XTRA EMAIL SECURITY UPDATE*
> >
> > Yahoo has advised us that it is experiencing an email security threat,
> > which we have reason to believe may have compromised some Yahoo Xtra
> email
> > customers' accounts.  It appears that as a result of this threat,
> attempts
> > at unauthorised access of users' email accounts have been made.
> >
> > At this stage we have no evidence that this account information has been
> > used and customers have not reported any issues.  However, as a
> > preventative measure, Yahoo will be blocking those accounts that they
> have
> > identified as compromised until the customer resets their password - and
> so
> > re-secures their account.
> >
> > Customers whose accounts have been blocked and who want guidance on how
> to
> > reset their passwords can find it at
> www.telecom.co.nz/emailpasswordchange.
> >
> >
> >
> > *ENDS*
> >
> >
> >
> > *For more information and images please contact:*
> >
> > Lucy Fullarton
> >
> > Media & PR Manager
> >
> > Email: lucy.fullarton at telecom.co.nz
> >
> > Mob: 021 070 6197
> >
> >
> >
> > Holly Wilkinson
> >
> > Communications Manager
> >
> > Email: holly.wilkinson at telecom.co.nz
> >
> > Mob: 027 519 2957
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> > michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Related to this, there's an ongoing court case involving Microsoft and
> >> user data stored on their servers in Ireland:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server
> >>
> >> The article above is a couple of months old, but the court case is still
> >> ongoing
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Michele
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mr Michele Neylon
> >> Blacknight Solutions
> >> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
> >> http://www.blacknight.co/
> >> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> >> http://www.technology.ie/
> >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
> >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> >> -------------------------------
> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> >> Park,Sleaty
> >> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Don Cameron
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:33 AM
> >> To: susan at susanchalmers.com
> >> Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
> >>
> >> Hi Susan,
> >>
> >> If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and
> >> corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored
> >> in
> >> personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet
> >> to
> >> properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has
> commenced
> >> porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned
> >> division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a
> >> 'better
> >> service for our customers'.
> >>
> >> What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means
> >> all
> >> Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be
> >> subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further
> >> information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a
> >> response from Bigpond on the issue.
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------------
> >> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> >> To: adam at varud.com;
> >> CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
> >> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2 Hi Adam, I'm
> >> currently
> >> working through section 3 - existing policy measures and private sector
> >> initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
> >> In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll
> >> add
> >> it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
> >> Please let me know if this isn't clear.
> >> Best,
> >> Susan
> >> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
> >> > Susan,
> >> >
> >> > It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.
> >> > We discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local
> >> > content where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make
> >> > the local content available via standard distribution channels (i.e.
> >> > the movie Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
> >> >
> >> > -Adam
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
> >> > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings:
> >> > varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> >> > michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Susan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Copyright is an interesting one ..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use"
> >> >> - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which
> >> >> isn't quite the same thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
> >> >> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
> >> >> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End
> >> >> result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than
> >> >> actually fight it
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Michele
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Mr Michele Neylon
> >> >> Blacknight Solutions
> >> >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
> >> >> http://www.blacknight.co/
> >> >> http://blog.blacknight.com/
> >> >> http://www.technology.ie
> >> >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072
> >> >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090
> >> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
> >> >> -------------------------------
> >> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
> >> >> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *From:* Bp_localcontent
> >> >> [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Susan
> >> >> Chalmers
> >> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
> >> >> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >> >> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Greetings everyone,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on
> >> >> regional specificities.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
> >> >> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
> >> >> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the
> >> >> document in toto before the IGF.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
> >> >> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
> >> >> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape.
> >> >> I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local
> >> >> competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright
> >> >> legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the
> creation
> >> of local content.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the
> >> >> coming few days.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sincerely,
> >> >>
> >> >> Susan
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Susan Chalmers
> >> >>
> >> >> Consultant, Internet Policy
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> +1 269 324 4101
> >> >>
> >> >> www.susanchalmers.com
> >> >>
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfo
> >> >> rum.org
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> --
> >> Susan Chalmers
> >> Consultant, Internet Policy
> >> +1 269 324 4101
> >> www.susanchalmers.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >>
> >>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bp_localcontent mailing list
> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> >>
> >>
> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovforum.org
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Susan Chalmers
> > Consultant, Internet Policy
> >
> > +1 269 324 4101
> > www.susanchalmers.com
> >
>
>
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From migiraldo at cable.net.co  Tue Jul 29 14:33:53 2014
From: migiraldo at cable.net.co (Martha Giraldo)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:33:53 -0500
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
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And what about access to these contents? How will people know they exist, how to retrieve them after they are thrown into the Internet ocean?, Martha

 

De: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] En nombre de Poncelet Ileleji
Enviado el: martes, 29 de julio de 2014 12:21 p.m.
Para: Mwendwa Kivuva
CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org; Susan Chalmers
Asunto: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2

 

Hello Colleagues,

 

The importance is to have local capacity backed up with required security because at the end of the day no matter where the content is hosted and who host it, if that security is not there it does not matter as breaches will likely occur.  For me talking from a developing country stand point, we need to develop the neccesary security in house to enable us to do  these things properly, if not a lot of resources that could have gone to other uses we go diwn the drain.  Hence required capacity building first and foremost backed up with the right infastructure within our existing context will do for a start.

 

Kind Regards

 

Poncelet 

 

 

 

On 29 July 2014 17:10, Mwendwa Kivuva <Kivuva at transworldafrica.com> wrote:

These security breaches boils up to capacity building and hiring the
right people. What is Outlook.com and Yahoo! doing differently to have
a better security setup than local companies?

In Kenya, the opposite is happening. All government hosted services
that are offshore are being relocated back home to ensure "better
security and monitoring". Of course the government will have a bigger
challenge in securing the services than when outsourcing. But again,
it means the amount of local content hosted within the country will
increase, and more jobs will be created.

On 29/07/2014, Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com> wrote:
> Greetings Don, Michele,
>
> Relatedly, Telecom, New Zealand's largest ISP, outsources its email
> services to Yahoo. There have been some security breaches, which led to
> discussion within the community about local hosting of email.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan
>
> http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5 <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11219060> &objectid=11219060
>
> *YAHOO XTRA EMAIL SECURITY UPDATE*
>
> Yahoo has advised us that it is experiencing an email security threat,
> which we have reason to believe may have compromised some Yahoo Xtra email
> customers' accounts.  It appears that as a result of this threat, attempts
> at unauthorised access of users' email accounts have been made.
>
> At this stage we have no evidence that this account information has been
> used and customers have not reported any issues.  However, as a
> preventative measure, Yahoo will be blocking those accounts that they have
> identified as compromised until the customer resets their password - and so
> re-secures their account.
>
> Customers whose accounts have been blocked and who want guidance on how to
> reset their passwords can find it at www.telecom.co.nz/emailpasswordchange.
>
>
>
> *ENDS*
>
>
>
> *For more information and images please contact:*
>
> Lucy Fullarton
>
> Media & PR Manager
>
> Email: lucy.fullarton at telecom.co.nz
>
> Mob: 021 070 6197
>
>
>
> Holly Wilkinson
>
> Communications Manager
>
> Email: holly.wilkinson at telecom.co.nz
>
> Mob: 027 519 2957
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:51 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
> michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>
>> Related to this, there's an ongoing court case involving Microsoft and
>> user data stored on their servers in Ireland:
>>
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/29/us-court-microsoft-personal-data-emails-irish-server
>>
>> The article above is a couple of months old, but the court case is still
>> ongoing
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Michele
>>
>> --
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>> Blacknight Solutions
>> Hosting & Colocation, Domains
>> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> http://www.technology.ie/
>> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%209183072> 
>> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 <tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090> 
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> -------------------------------
>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> Park,Sleaty
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland  Company No.: 370845
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] On
>> Behalf Of Don Cameron
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 4:33 AM
>> To: susan at susanchalmers.com
>> Cc: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>> If we look at the storage capacities frequently cited by ISP's and
>> corporate sys admins, arguably the bulk of all digital content is stored
>> in
>> personal email folders. One issue we are facing in Australia (albeit yet
>> to
>> properly understand or quantify) is our largest ISP Bigpond has commenced
>> porting all customers email accounts to Outlook.com, a foreign owned
>> division of Microsoft. This is reportedly so Bigpond can provide a
>> 'better
>> service for our customers'.
>>
>> What they are less inclined to publicise is that presumably this means
>> all
>> Australian email content will now reside on foreign servers and be
>> subjected to foreign laws and governance. I have tried to find further
>> information on this aspect however to date I have been unable to get a
>> response from Bigpond on the issue.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
>> To: adam at varud.com;
>> CC: bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org;
>> Subject: Re: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2 Hi Adam, I'm
>> currently
>> working through section 3 - existing policy measures and private sector
>> initiatives, which is where you chimed in.
>> In retrospect your contribution fits better under section 2. Thus I'll
>> add
>> it as a contribution to be added to that summary, by the consultants.
>> Please let me know if this isn't clear.
>> Best,
>> Susan
>> On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 4:41 AM, Adam Nelson <adam at varud.com> wrote:
>> > Susan,
>> >
>> > It doesn't look like much of the thread from July 23 made it in here.
>> > We discussed access in Kenya to not only global content but also local
>> > content where the rightsholders for many reasons aren't able to make
>> > the local content available via standard distribution channels (i.e.
>> > the movie Nairobi Half-Life not being available legally in Kenya).
>> >
>> > -Adam
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kili - Cloud for Africa: kili.io
>> > Musings: twitter.com/varud <https://twitter.com/varud> More Musings:
>> > varud.com About Adam: www.linkedin.com/in/adamcnelson
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <
>> > michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Susan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Copyright is an interesting one ..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In Ireland, for example, we don't have a proper concept of "fair use"
>> >> - I think the term they use is "fair dealings" or something, which
>> >> isn't quite the same thing.
>> >>
>> >> We also have a rather backwards setup with regard to defamation -
>> >> essentially anyone can claim they've been defamed and it's up to the
>> >> defendant to prove they didn't defame, which is rather hard. End
>> >> result being that it's cheaper to remove the "offending" content than
>> >> actually fight it
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Michele
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mr Michele Neylon
>> >> Blacknight Solutions
>> >> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>> >> http://www.blacknight.co/
>> >> http://blog.blacknight.com/
>> >> http://www.technology.ie
>> >> Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 <tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%209183072> 
>> >> Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 <tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090> 
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon
>> >> -------------------------------
>> >> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
>> >> Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *From:* Bp_localcontent
>> >> [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *On Behalf Of *Susan
>> >> Chalmers
>> >> *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2014 5:01 PM
>> >> *To:* bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> >> *Subject:* [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Greetings everyone,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on
>> >> regional specificities.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
>> >> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
>> >> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the
>> >> document in toto before the IGF.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
>> >> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
>> >> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape.
>> >> I thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local
>> >> competition regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright
>> >> legislation, for example, all of which can be relevant to the creation
>> of local content.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the
>> >> coming few days.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >>
>> >> Susan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Susan Chalmers
>> >>
>> >> Consultant, Internet Policy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> +1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
>> >>
>> >> www.susanchalmers.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> Bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
>> >>
>> >> http://mail.intgovforum.org/mailman/listinfo/bp_localcontent_intgovfo
>> >> rum.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> --
>> Susan Chalmers
>> Consultant, Internet Policy
>> +1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
>> www.susanchalmers.com
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>
>
>
> --
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> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
> +1 269 324 4101 <tel:%2B1%20269%20324%204101> 
> www.susanchalmers.com
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Tue Jul 29 17:24:21 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 17:24:21 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
 initiatives, impediments
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Greetings and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

I have digested each email and have attached my summary of Section 3 -
existing policy measures and private sector initiatives, impediments. Some
of the content shared during this discussion is also relevant to the
Section 2 discussion on regional specificities, and thus I've taken
moderator's prerogative in suggesting that certain discussion points be
ported over to that section, for the UN IGF consultant assigned to this
BPF, John LaPrise, to incorporate into the outcome document.

Thoughts on the attached summary are warmly welcomed and will, per the
practice established thus far, be folded in by Mr. LaPrise, whom we should
hear from soon.

Thanks again for your thoughtful participation everyone!

Sincerely,
Susan


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Martha Giraldo <migiraldo at cable.net.co>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Contributing to AREA 2 :infrastructure, I would like to bring up the
> following question or key point.
>
> Knowing that Internet turns to be a huge ocean which grows exponentially
> in amount of data, information, contents  ,? , what would be needed to help
> people fishing the information they need?  How to assure local people have
> access to the information they need, not only commercial?. Is it about
> developing new ?social driven? search algorithms? Is it about recommending
> country policies for developing applications (portals)  with links to the
> local information? Is it about increasing local hosting capacities as
> Meshingo suggests? Is it about the metadata associated to the content? A
> policy over the internet? A mixture of the previous ones? Or something else?
>
> May we advance on agreeing a basic recommendation for this ?Access to
> local contents? point?  What do you think?
>
> Note: Public libraries are perfect places for the appropriation process
> (local content retrieval and giving support for it?s development) but they
> still face the same fishing problem.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Martha Giraldo
>
> Colombia
>
>
>
>
>
> *De:* Bp_localcontent [mailto:bp_localcontent-bounces at intgovforum.org] *En
> nombre de *Meshingo Sechele
> *Enviado el:* jueves, 24 de julio de 2014 01:40 a.m.
> *Para:* Susan Chalmers; bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org
> *Asunto:* Re: [Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private
> sector initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings everyone, I am Meshingo Sechele from Botswana.
>
>
>
> I would like to make my contributions to this week's discussions and thank
> you Susan for  the summary of last week's discussions.
>
>
>
> Area 1:  Human Capacity
>
> Human capacity is a major component for the creation of local content. As
> a country which is about to implements its National Broadband Strategy,
> lack of local component is a major concern to the utilisation of broadband
> services and could also be attributed to the low internet penetration rate
> and there is no relevant content available online that people could relate
> to. There is need to have people with the right skills to develop content
> including bring the indigenous knowledge online and online applications.
>  In Botswana, there are a lot of ICT  trained graduates (software
> developers/engineers, computer science) whose skills are under-utilised and
> they could be the ones used for bring the local content online and develops
> applications relevant to various communities. These people are either
> unemployed or their skills under-utilised in the workplace due to a lot of
> outsourcing incorporated by companies hence their skills are never
> harvested. Lack of ICT  project incubators is also a major concern as there
> is no place where content developers' ideas can be nurtured to come into
> life.
>
>
>
> Area 2: Technical Infrastructure
>
> Countries should invest in the development of data centres that would be
> able to host local content such as e-Government, there should also be IXPs
> connecting national ISPs and interconnecting regionally with others.
> Botswana has invested in securing international bandwidth  capacity from
> the WACs and EASSY  as well as in the national backbone. However there are
> a lot of gaps in the access network which needs to be rectified, the access
> network is critical as it is the one that will bring internet carrying the
> relevant content to an end user's doorstep. All these components should be
> treated as a whole to ensure the content is delivered to the consumer. With
> a population of only 2 million people, Botswana is challenged in the sense
> that, with such a small population there could be no or minimal motive for
> Content Delivery Networks  to setup their networks in Botswana to bring the
> content that people want closer to home. Poor quality of service has
> remained a challenge despite access to sufficient international bandwidth
> capacity due to the location of content. However our local ISPs  are
> working round the clock to ensure they enter into agreement to interconnect
> with CDNs which are present in neighbouring countries.
>
>
>
> Area 3: Legal Frameworks
>
> It is important to have robot legal frameworks in place. This would spur
> local content development and lure international CDNs to bring content
> locally. Regulatory ICT  frameworks should promote for the creation of
> content.  National Broadband policies should support for local content
> development as one of the demand side initiatives. Universal Access and
> Service policies should promote for the development of local content and
> this should be funded and supported by the Universal Access and Service
> Funds. Delays in enactment of laws or policies in relation to copyright,
> data protection, e-Government Strategies are some of the issues which have
> an impact on content development particularly in the case of Botswana.
>
> High Internet prices has also remained an impediment to use of the
> internet or access to content. There is need to ensure that once the
> content is created it should be available to consumers at affordable
> prices. In  that regard, regulatory bodies should work round the clock to
> ensure content developers are subsidised in creation of content and at the
> same time ensure prices are not prohibitive for accessing the relevant
> services required.  I would like to agree with Seun on the issue regarding
> cached content that it should be available for free for consumers or there
> should be a level of visible cost saving to the consumer.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Meshingo
>
>
>
> *From: *Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> *Date: *Sunday 20 July 2014 11:32 PM
> *To: *"bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org" <bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> *Subject: *[Bp_localcontent] Existing policy measures and private sector
> initiatives, impediments
>
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> It's now time to move on to the third area of our discussion on local
> content best practices, and that is identifying existing policy measures
> and private sector initiatives & impediments for the creation of local
> content.
>
>
>
> I'd like to remind the group of the tripartite structure we've adopted,
> and invite all to make contributions under this framework. For example,
> please note measures and initiatives under these categories:
>
>
>
> Area 1 - Human Capacities
>
> Area 2 - Technical Infrastructure
>
> Area 3 - Legal Frameworks
>
>
>
> Many thanks!
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> --
>
> Susan Chalmers
>
> Consultant, Internet Policy
>
>
>
> +1 269 324 4101
>
> www.susanchalmers.com
>
>
>
>
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From baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm  Wed Jul 30 04:40:00 2014
From: baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm (baya.sylvain at cmnog.cm)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 08:40:00 +0000
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
Message-ID: <20140730084000.5408788athhzwj1c@wm01.mtnbusiness.cm>

Hi Dear All, Hi Margaret :-),

Greating Dear Susan,
Thanks for the summary of section 2, please consider, attached, my  
contribution inside the revision (_Rv01) I did based on your file  
initialy named ''LocalContent2of8.docx''.
Excuse my, perhaps, too late action ; I was busy and it's not finished :-D.
Regards,
--sb.

Le 25/07/2014 17:01, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Summary of section 2 (Susan Chalmers)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 12:01:20 -0400
> From: Susan Chalmers <susan at susanchalmers.com>
> To: "bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org"
> 	<bp_localcontent at intgovforum.org>
> Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Summary of section 2
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> Greetings everyone,
>
> Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
> specificities.
>
> As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
> contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
> Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
> in toto before the IGF.
>
> I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
> infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
> contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
> thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local competition
> regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
> example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
>
> Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
> few days.
>
> Sincerely,
> Susan
> -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101  
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          Best Regards !
                              ************************
  Sylvain BAYA
   CCNA
  cmNOG's Co-Founder & Coordinator
  ISOC Cameroon Board's Member
    (+237) 77005341
  PO Box 13107 YAOUNDE / CAMEROON
baya.sylvain [AT cmNOG DOT cm]
  abscoco2001 [AT yahoo DOT fr]
  http://www.cmnog.cm
  http://www.isoc.cm
  http://www.internetsociety.org
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                                       ? Comme une biche soupire apr?s  
des courants d'eau, Ainsi mon ?me soupire apr?s toi, ? DIEU! ?  
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From susan at susanchalmers.com  Wed Jul 30 12:07:29 2014
From: susan at susanchalmers.com (Susan Chalmers)
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 12:07:29 -0400
Subject: [Bp_localcontent] Bp_localcontent Digest, Vol 2, Issue 61
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Merci, Sylvain!


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:40 AM, <bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org>
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> Hi Dear All, Hi Margaret :-),
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> Greating Dear Susan,
> Thanks for the summary of section 2, please consider, attached, my
> contribution inside the revision (_Rv01) I did based on your file
> initialy named ''LocalContent2of8.docx''.
> Excuse my, perhaps, too late action ; I was busy and it's not finished :-D.
> Regards,
> --sb.
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> Le 25/07/2014 17:01, bp_localcontent-request at intgovforum.org a ?crit :
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> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > Please find attached the summary from the list's discussion on regional
> > specificities.
> >
> > As with the summary of section 1, I intend to submit all further
> > contributions to this document to the consultants working with the
> > Secretariat. Time permitting we will revisit all sections of the document
> > in toto before the IGF.
> >
> > I received many stories relating to Areas 1 and 3 - that is technical
> > infrastructure and human capacities. I did not, however, receive any
> > contributions in the way of Area 2 - the local legislative landscape. I
> > thus encourage contributors to share stories about their local
> competition
> > regulation, telecommunications regulation, and copyright legislation, for
> > example, all of which can be relevant to the creation of local content.
> >
> > Many thanks and I intend to prepare a summary of section 3 in the coming
> > few days.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Susan
> > -- Susan Chalmers Consultant, Internet Policy +1 269 324 4101
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>           Best Regards !
>                               ************************
>   Sylvain BAYA
>    CCNA
>   cmNOG's Co-Founder & Coordinator
>   ISOC Cameroon Board's Member
>     (+237) 77005341
>   PO Box 13107 YAOUNDE / CAMEROON
> baya.sylvain [AT cmNOG DOT cm]
>   abscoco2001 [AT yahoo DOT fr]
>   http://www.cmnog.cm
>   http://www.isoc.cm
>   http://www.internetsociety.org
>   ************************
>                                        ? Comme une biche soupire apr?s
> des courants d'eau, Ainsi mon ?me soupire apr?s toi, ? DIEU! ?
> (Psaumes 42 :2)
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+1 269 324 4101
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